Talk:Frank Aiken

2006 post

Widely praised?????????

BLATENT bias there whoever wrote that has never read a decent history book the man was basically pro-nazi and in his trip to the USA totally undermined Irelands position, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.245.201 (talk • contribs) 09:39, November 17, 2006

Sources

This article is in serious need of sources. ludahai 魯大海 14:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I am attempting to add some more in at present from various book sources at my disposal and journal articles etc to refer to text I have put into the article that some other Wikipedians have vandally deleted by claiming it was irrelevant while not simply understanding my message that I was going to add further sources in later on! Devite (talk) 22:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Devite. Please read WP:BURDEN. Sources should be added, by the editor who makes the change/addition, alongside and in support of those changes. Not at an unspecified point in the future. Also note WP:AVOIDVANDAL. Removing uncited material and tagging unattributed opinions and editorial is not "vandalism" or "vandal [deletion]". Please do not imply that the good faith edits of other editors are a form of "vandally [behaviour]". When that is not the case. Guliolopez (talk) 10:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Devite (talk) 13:59, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

But point remains I intend to add. When I edited another wiki database I was able to put a stop or hold page on pages and edit in due course my ongoing edits. Devite (talk) 14:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Clash with Ernest Blythe

Not sure if this is an important section or period of his life. Agree or disagree?--Vintagekits 21:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I've added a citation needed note regarding the bland claim that Aiken never forgave those who had taken sides in the civil War. This is highly debatable, for no one tried harder than Aiken to avoid that conflict. If a reliable source can be found, the Blythe bit is worth keeping, I'd say Billsmith60 (talk) 16:36, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Having studied the Aiken archive in UCD I haven't found one. The reference is trite hence I deleted it myself. Devite (talk) 22:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

UN General Assembly Seating

This article claims that Ireland acted as a "physical buffer" between Israel and Iran when in fact, seating is arranged alphabetically - hence why Ireland, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Italy all sat near eachother. There were no political implications to seating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.55.114 (talk) 00:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

State Funeral

Article says that Aiken was "buried with full State honours in his native Camlough, County Armagh, Northern Ireland. I can understand that he might have had full State honours up as far as the border but he can hardly have had them in the territory of Northern Ireland, especially at that time. Coolavokig (talk) 10:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

This is actually true. All evidence including photos images etc are in RTE and Aiken archives. Also his friend and constituency colleague the late Padraig Faulkner TD referred to the attendance of the Old IRA, 27 Infantry Battalion etc as I discussed on an RTE programme about Aiken c.10-15 years ago. I watched it anyhow and know some who partook in the actual parade. Devite (talk) 22:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Indiscipline in IRA

"Throughout this period [apparently 1921] both British and Irish contingents displayed brutality due to drunkenness. For example, Aiken was forced to dismiss two of his officers for breach of discipline. Mulcahy was instructed to issue orders to all commanders to this effect."

Assuming this refers to Richard Mulcahy, wasn't he IRA chief of staff? Would he really have been "instructed" to do anything, even by Griffith or de Valera? Wouldn't they have seen it as a matter for Mulcahy himself to deal with? Even if this comes "from a statement made [by] Frank Aiken" I think it might well be treated with some scepticism. Harfarhs (talk) 19:30, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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Iron Man Wooden Head

According to T. Ryle Dwyer’s biography of de Valera, Aiken was (and I’m conveying the impression, here) a bit of an idiot. So on the one hand I have a solid source suggesting Aiken is dense, while this article makes Aiken out to be a prodigy. I wonder if anybody would care to comment, and perhaps lend some perspective? TreacherousWays (talk) 13:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)