Talk:Frances Ames/GA1

Latest comment: 9 years ago by Cwmhiraeth in topic GA Review

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs) 12:20, 11 January 2015 (UTC)Reply


First reading

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In general this article is well-written and well-organised. A few points that struck me:

  • "She earned her MD degree in 1954 from UCT, the first woman to do so." - This sentence seems ambiguous to me. Presumably she was the first ever at UCT rather than the first in 1954.
OK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • A date for Biko's detention would be helpful.
  • "... detained by Port Elizabeth security police for 25 days where he was beaten and tortured." I don't think "where" is right here.
How about "... detained by Port Elizabeth security police for 25 days during which time he was beaten and tortured."
I see what you mean, but I think this changes the meaning. You see, he was detained for 25 days at Port Elizabeth, where he was beaten and tortured. But he was not tortured and beaten for 25 days. I will try to clear this up in the coming days. Viriditas (talk) 08:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
I think I just figured out how to fix this. Viriditas (talk) 03:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • "... and even the council itself." - Did they think there should be a formal enquiry by the council into its own actions?
  • The lead is supposed to be a summary of the main body of the article. In this case, it contains certain information that is not included elsewhere - the matter of the Supreme Court. In fact that information needs a citation as does the fact that it was "at great risk to their professional careers".
  • You could rearrange the citations at the end of the "Biko affair" section to put them in numerical order.
  • "cannabis sativa" is the scientific name of the plant and should be written Cannabis sativa.
  • You could substitute "War on Drugs" for "war on drugs", and wikilink it.
  • "She continued to work at Valkenberg Hospital six weeks before she died on 11 November" - missing word.
"until six weeks" possibly. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
Done.[6] Viriditas (talk) 09:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • "Ames was married to editorial writer David Castle of the Cape Times with whom they had four sons." - This sentence needs attention.
I would suggest "Ames was married to editorial writer David Castle of the Cape Times and they had four sons."
Done.[8] Viriditas (talk) 09:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • "When did she have leukaemia? The last date mentioned was 1967 when her husband died.
  • All I could do was add a ref to Grundy, which states: "Human rights activist and academic Professor Frances Ames has died aged 82 after a long battle against leukaemia."[9] That's the best I can do. Viriditas (talk) 03:05, 30 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
  • The first sentence of the "Legacy" section is mostly in the past tense but the second sentence starts off in the present tense.
  • "... and history eventually justified her action." - What action?
  • There is rather a dearth of Wikilinks in the article in general.
"Groote Schuur Hospital" is wikilinked twice in one paragraph! Otherwise I suggest you wikilink places in South Africa and people mentioned where Wikipedia articles exist. Also medical terms such as "multiple sclerosis" and "leukaemia". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
I removed the duplicate link to Groote Schuur Hospital.[11] I will revisit the wikilinks tomorrow. Viriditas (talk) 09:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
I added additional links today.[12] Viriditas (talk) 09:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Second reading

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Most of the things mentioned above have been dealt with.

  • The last sentence of "Personal life" and the second sentence of "Death" have some duplication. Note that the book's name has changed by its second mention!
  • I am still unhappy about the first two sentences of "Biko affair". I would like to suggest:

"South African anti-apartheid activist Steve Biko, a formerly medical student at the University of Natal Medical School, was detained by Port Elizabeth security police on 18 August 1977. During 25 days in detention he was beaten and tortured, fell into a coma and died from his injuries on 12 September. According to allegations by Ames and others, surgeon Ivor Lang, along with chief district surgeon Benjamin Tucker, collaborated with the police in covering up the abuse." Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

There's no rush. Take your time. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:27, 16 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
Note: in an attempt to be comprehensive, I just found a new source today which I want to incorporate into the article. I wonder where it came from, as it wasn't available before. Anyway, I'm glad it's here now. Viriditas (talk) 21:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
@Viriditas: Do you want to do any more work on this article before I finish my review? I am not intending to fail it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
Yes, give me another 24 hours. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 06:52, 29 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

I just found an enormous stash of press clippings in a UCT archive that will fill in the missing gaps.[14] Viriditas (talk) 10:36, 4 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Ping me when you are ready. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:02, 4 February 2015 (UTC)Reply
@Cwmhiraeth: I'm ready for your final review. Viriditas (talk) 06:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

GA criteria

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  • The article has been improved considerably over the course of this review. It is well written and complies with MOS guidelines on prose and grammar, structure and layout. 
  • The article uses many reliable third-party sources, and makes frequent citations to them. I do not believe it contains original research.  
  • The article covers the main aspects of the subject and remains focussed.  
  • The article is neutral.  
  • The article is stable. It was created by the nominator in August 2014 and has hardly been edited by anyone else.  
  • There are no images in the article because no suitable images were available.