Talk:Fox Sports 1

Requested move 4 September 2015

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Fox Sports 1 → FS1 – Much like the similar change of NBC Sports Network to NBCSN, Fox is aggressively re-branding this network as simply "FS1" to align with the common acronym. Yesterday was the most apparent indication of this shift, given that they are quickly downplaying or outright replacing the previous logo with the new brand (first the ticker, now it's being used as a bug and in the Fo-I mean, FS1 College Football logo). ViperSnake151  Talk  18:42, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - Awfulannouncing.com is a fan blog, not a reliable source as such. All it states is that the logo bug is changing, and that they are using the acronym in place of the full name, but that doesn't mean the name of the network has actually changed. For example, the Fox broadcast network's name is Fox Broadcasting Company, even though that name is never used on air. - BilCat (talk) 19:16, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Comment The full Fox Broadcasting Company title is used merely to disambiguate from the hundreds of uses of 'Fox', be they network, computer science, military, character, placename or vulpine-related; like ABC-->American Broadcasting Company, we merely use the full titles of each network to make disambiguation easier on anyone and to keep us from parenthesizing an overload of uses and give any other ABC/Fox equal treatment here. Nate • (chatter) 09:36, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: I partially object to its classification as a "fan blog"; it is as much of a blog as Deadspin, but according to the about page, they've broken quite a few major stories and has apparently been cited by various major properties. I'd say it is as comparable to TVNewser. ViperSnake151  Talk  19:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

• It self-identifies itself as a "sports fan web site". Regardless, if the name is truly being changed, it will be mentioned in reliable sources as such, and we can move it then. Note that the network's website is still clearly labeled "FOX Sports 1". - BilCat (talk) 19:29, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
• Awfulannouncing.com does have editorial oversight per its Masthead, so it would probably qualify as a reliable source per WP:RS. - BilCat (talk) 19:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
• Per the story on Awfulannouncing.com, "“FOX Sports is our brand. This does not signify a re-branding for FS1.” (Emphasis mine.) I hope that ends this discussion. - BilCat (talk) 19:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose, but not per editorial issues about Awful Announcing (in the 'would I use them as a source' scale it depends on the story, they're definitely not in the "Nickandmore DO NOT USE" category for me), but for clarity; NBCSN took several months before they transitioned fully from NBC Sports Network full-time, and I assume that will be the case with Fox Sports 1 & 2 (if I'm a betting person, the MLB LCS's will be the full-time use point). Right now it's too scattered to call full-time and until the network officially calls the transition done like NBCSN did with Sochi as their hard-line, we should keep the article title as-is for now. Nate • (chatter) 09:30, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
  • I concur with your reasonings on this. It's definitely too early in the process to make a page move at this point. - BilCat (talk) 09:42, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. The comparison to NBCSN is an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. There is only one "NBCSN" article, while there is a FS1 (disambiguation) page listing four "FS1" topics. It may be also questionable whether the FS1 redirect should even be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Fox Sports 1 in the first place, or would even pass WP:PRECISION and WP:ACRONYMTITLE if this was indeed moved, given that a Google search of "FS1" does not really give overwhelming results toward the Fox Sports network. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:33, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose. At this time, there has been no change in its official name nor in its common usage. ONR (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 28 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: No consensus after being relisted, the elements that were supported were contested between others. No clear decision on what to do with this. And with no actual discussion (except for a question by an IP) since the relist. I believe relisting again, or leaving on the backlog will generate no new discussion on this issue. Closing for now, but a new RM may be opened again without having to wait for 6 months. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 22:18, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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• Fox Sports 1 → FS1 (U.S. TV channel)
• FS1 (disambiguation) → FS1
• FS1 (Salzburg) → FS1 (Austrian TV channel)
• Fox Sports 2 → FS2

– I agree with the move request above, as no one refers to FS1 as "Fox Sports 1" anymore, just like how NBCSN is no longer referred to as "NBC Sports Network" anymore; same exact situation with FS2. In addition, unlike the first request, I chose to have the 2 FS1s split up because while the American channel is obviously more popular on English Wikipedia, these 2 channels are completely different. 2601:8C:4001:DCF4:8129:7D7C:7798:C9E4 (talk) 17:07, 28 November 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 13:56, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support replacing FS1 redirect with the disambiguation page clearly the disambiguation page should be located at the base location -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:39, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
• Comment. This is actually 3-4 different proposals, so I'm going to break my comment in three parts to reflect that. Hopefully this won't WP:TRAINWRECK, but here goes:

• Oppose moving Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2 per the September move request. I don't think much has changed since then and I believe "Fox Sports 1" is still common vernacular.
• Oppose moving FS1 (disambiguation) to FS1. The American TV Channel seems to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC to me.
• Support moving FS1 (Salzburg) to FS1 (Austrian TV channel). When possible, disambiguators should reflect what something is and not where it is. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:59, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose - there are many things called FS1. --NaBUru38 (talk) 00:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Does that mean you support making FS1 into a disambiguation page? -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:22, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 5 July 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Andrewa (talk) 20:22, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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• Fox Sports 1 → FS1 (U.S. TV channel)
• Fox Sports 2 → FS2

– It has been over a year and a half since the last move request and it seems to me that at this point, the channels themselves are no longer referred to as "Fox Sports 1" and "Fox Sports 2" anymore. Just like the last two requests, this is similar to how NBC Sports Network became NBCSN. On air, the full names of these channels aren't even said anymore and they now just go by "FS1" and "FS2". 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:F172:844C:1F4B:E7EC (talk) 16:20, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose move, again. The nominator has not provided any third-party sources indicating that "FS1" is common usage. They seem to be pointing only to the network's on-air branding, which is not sufficient.  ONR  (talk)  23:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose, very much – the current titles are the clear WP:COMMONNAMES. (Again, WP:OFFICIALNAME prob. applies here too....). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:08, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
• Comment – Best source I can find: [1]. 2601:8C:4001:DCB9:2506:132D:4CD4:3479 (talk) 15:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
  • That source is primarily about the logo/on-air branding, which IJB has already countered. - BilCat (talk) 17:46, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose - Per WP:NATURAL DISAMBIGUATION. "Fox Sports 1" is a more likely target than the unlikely alphabet soup of "FS1 (U.S. TV channel)". Fox Broadcasting Company and American Broadcasting Company are the article titles for those broadcasting networks for much the same reason. - BilCat (talk) 17:46, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

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"cable and satellite television channel"?

This sentence looks outdated. Fox Sports 1, as most other pay television channel, is available on other subscription providers as IPTV and OTT television operators grow in the United States and on international grounds. FS1 is a pay television channel, and it should be considered like that instead of "cable & sat" as it doesn't reflect reality. Mentioning BilCat as he was reverting my edit on the article regarding this because it was "misleading" without explaining himself. --Bankster (talk) 03:30, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Also including Trekphiler and MarnetteD to comment on this issue, as they were involved in the reversion process. --Bankster (talk) 21:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

You're wrong. A pay channel is one requiring a fee for each particular program. Cable & satellite channels are packaged as part of a service. (The recent idea of payment for each channel would change that slightly, but not much.) Either way, it's not pay TV. And you can stop posting on my talk, now. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 03:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

You're confusing a pay channel with a pay per view service, which requires a fee for watching selected programs or events, while pay-television channels requires a fee to unlock its frequency in the first place, regardless if they are included in a TV provider's basic-tier package or in a higher one. «basic cable and satellite» partially represents (in a longer, archaic and currently unused terminology) a network's availability, which can be done on only three words. With that said, it is pay-TV indeed, but not pay-per-view.--Bankster (talk) 04:03, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

And you're drawing a distinction that doesn't exist. Since cable/satellite must be paid for, by your own definition, they are "pay" television, & so your edit effectively splits hairs to no benefit. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 06:27, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Not by my own definition, already stated on this article by the same name in Wikipedia. Then it would be no problem to change it now, right? The lead sentence would be «Fox Sports 1 is an American pay television sports channel», simple as that. --Bankster (talk) 06:50, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Merge the Fox Sports 1 aricle with Speed Channel

talk We should merge the Speed aricle into the Fox Sports 1 aricle? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bikerbog56 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 22 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:NATURAL. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 15:23, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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• Fox Sports 1 → FS1 (American TV channel)
• Fox Sports 2 → FS2

– I am proposing this for two reasons: 1) Name consistency with other sports networks such as NESN, SNY, MASN, and the now-defunct NBCSN, and 2) Neither FS1 nor FS2 are referred to by their full name on-air anymore. I understand this is far from the first time this request has been made, but circumstances have changed dramatically since the last time. 100.7.36.213 (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose 1 per WP:NATURAL. See American Broadcasting Company, not ABC (American TV network). Neutral on second. 162 etc. (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support, FS1 is the common name. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• I'm not quite sure where I stand here, but I will note:

• Search queries for FS1 vs. Fox Sports 1 in the United States have been consistently higher for FS1 since 2016 [2]. "Fox Sports 1" was higher from 2013–16. In the last five years, the COMMONNAME argument has gotten much stronger.
• Usage in some news outlets is mixed. Variety is still using Fox Sports 1, even for recent headlines: [3] However, usage of FS1 outweighs Fox Sports 1 in The New York Times for articles since 2017.
• In March, per WikiNav, almost every pageview to "FS1" led to a click through to Fox Sports 1, suggesting a PRIMARYTOPIC possibly. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 09:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to link WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here for those curious. 100.7.36.213 (talk) 13:53, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

• Should note that SNY was moved to SportsNet New York a few hours after I first proposed this move. Make of that what you will. 100.7.36.213 (talk) 14:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

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Requested move 15 December 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. At the moment there appears to be consensus against this move. I find Netoholic's support to be the strongest, with their NASA example. FS1 isn't universally used, and the opposers here and in previous discussions noticed this. Therefore, I am closing this as Not Moved. Thanks. (closed by non-admin page mover) echidnaLives - talk - edits 06:20, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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• Fox Sports 1 → FS1
• Fox Sports 2 → FS2

– So, since FS1 is already a redirect to here now as primary topic (the disambiguation page was moved) so we no longer have WP:NATDIS concerns (unlike ABC, which doesn't have a clear primary topic) and since the usage stats mentioned in the last move clearly show that the channel is called FS1 overwhelmingly in reliable sources because that's the actual branding, and since the Fox Sports 1 name hasn't been used in years, can we finally move this article to the actual name of the channel, not some outdated one based on misunderstanding of policy? oknazevad (talk) 04:11, 15 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 13:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

PS, all this applies to FS2 as well, hence the multi-move. FS2 already points to that channel's article as a clear primary topic. oknazevad (talk) 04:23, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

• oppose to keep the topics instantly clear to the readers and editors. Many entities are abbreviated frequently in sources, that doesn't mean its a good idea to do so in the initial introduction of the topic in an encyclopedia. This isn't a "NASA" situation where the acronym is almost universally used - "Fox Sports 1" is quite commonly-used. -- Netoholic @ 07:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

  But we've already decided that FS1 near universally means the channel, that's why it redirects here. The fact that only one of the other entries on the FS1 (disambiguation) page could reasonably be titled "FS1" at all, and that between the two there's a clear primary topic means that the "we need to be clear" idea is a red herring. "FS1" is quite clear. In English it means this channel pretty universally. oknazevad (talk) 11:52, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

  A redirect doesn't equate to "near universal". All the FS1 redirect implies is that this article is the best target for said redirect. -- Netoholic @ 14:14, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per previous discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 15:36, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support I'm gonna be honest with you, when people think of FS1, they don't think of anything else other than Fox Sports 1. JustDan7178 (talk) 17:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

  While I concur with you, that's more about the redirect pointing to here instead of the disambiguation page. The real question here is when people think of this channel do they think of it as just "FS1", its current branding, or as "Fox Sports 1", its older name. That's what the discussion is really about. oknazevad (talk) 14:15, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: For a firmer consensus, extending discussion time. – robertsky (talk) 13:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Television has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 13:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject United States has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 13:03, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose I'll confess I've never heard of this. But at least current title makes recognizable as some sort of television channel. The abbreviation is meaningless and unrecognizable. I'd assume it is some sort of racing category. Walrasiad (talk) 17:15, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

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