Talk:Fort Andres Bonifacio

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. Those who argue that Fort Andres Bonifacio should be moved to Fort Bonifacio might have a point. But it's not so easy to decide what to do with the present article at Fort Bonifacio. It covers both the military fort and the nearby development and is rather informative. I suggest that a further discussion might take place at Talk:Fort Bonifacio on how to reorganize the material. EdJohnston (talk) 04:40, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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• Fort Andres Bonifacio → Fort Bonifacio
• Fort Bonifacio → Bonifacio Global City

– Fort Bonifacio is the WP:COMMONNAME for the Philippine Army headquarters and is almost never called by its "full name", just like other military camps in the city Camp Aguinaldo and Camp Atienza are never called Camp Emilio Aguinaldo or Camp Rigoberto Atienza. The business district that grew out of parts of the Fort is also becoming known more these days as Bonifacio Global City or its popular nickname BGC as its official website advertises. --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC) --RioHondo (talk) 16:18, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose instead use Fort Bonifacio (military), unless you are saying that Fort Bonifacio rarely refers to Bonifacio Global City (which doesn't seem to be the case in your nomination rationale) ? Otherwise, the two are competitive for the same title, so should become a disambiguation page, not forgetting the fortress in Corsica that grew into the city of Bonifacio, Corse-du-Sud, and other uses in the Philippines. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 08:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Actually, it is a simple case of present and former use. The redeveloped area of the military reservation is now popularly and officially called Bonifacio Global City, just like Clark Freeport Zone with Clark Air Base or Subic Bay Freeport Zone with Subic Bay Naval Base. Although there are people that still refer to those areas by their former names up to this day, those articles clearly talk about their present status as financial/industrial districts or successfully converted military bases, hence there is a need to use the new names given by the Bases Conversion and Development Authority of the Philippines 1 which administers these districts, while the military bases or forts keep the old names. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC does not apply in this case. As for the fortress in Bonifacio, Corse-du-Sud, i think the wp:commonname for it is the Bonifacio Citadel or in french, Citadelle de Bonifacio or Bonifacio Haute Ville.--RioHondo (talk) 12:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
• Aren't Fort Bonifacio and BGC two distinct and separate places? –HTD 13:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Also, there's also a barangay in Taguig called "Fort Bonifacio" that contains both BGC and the actual military installation. –HTD 13:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Hey HTD, exactly, as per official website and BCDA, Bonifacio Global City or BGC is the redeveloped portion of the military Fort Bonifacio which constitutes a barangay of the same name in Taguig, and what is called Post Proper North and Post Proper South in Makati. Fort Bonifacio, as it is, is used to refer to the Philippine Army camp headquarters, which covers all areas in those barangays that are not yet open to private developers, including portions of barangays Western Bicutan and Pinagsama in Taguig, which are already outside the disputed zone of BGC. So its just like Clark Air Base which remains a Philippine Air Force facility with Clark Freeport Zone occupying the developed areas of the air base spanning several barangays in Angeles and Mabalacat. Another example: Villamor Air Base and Newport City, Philippines. --RioHondo (talk) 15:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
• Disambiguation PageHm. Based on this conversation, it makes the most sense to me to make Fort Bonifacio a disambiguation page, linking to the articles for Fort Andres Bonifacio, Bonifacio Global City, and assuming the Barangay itself is not notable enough for its own article, Taguig. I do not completely object, however, to have Fort Bonifacio redirect to Fort Andres Bonifacio, with disambiguation tophats leading to Bonifacio Global City and Taguig. In fact, anything BUT Fort Bonifacio redirecting to Bonifacio Global City, which IMHO is just confusing.- Alternativity (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I think redirecting Fort Bonifacio to Fort Andres Bonifacio while moving the business district's content to Bonifacio Global City would suffice for now. IMO, a disambiguation page is not necessary as the two articles are related. And I also will be carrying out the following changes to the articles to make them more accurate:
    • 1. Transfer the entire Fort Andres Bonifacio section to Fort Andres Bonifacio.
    • 2. Move the McKinley Hill section to an entirely new article. McKinley Hill is outside the disputed BGC as it is located in Barangay Pinagsama, Taguig.
    • 3. Move content on Heritage Park, Libingan ng mga Bayani and Manila American Cemetery to Fort Andres Bonifacio. These are not included in either the plan for the business district nor the barangay jurisdiction of Fort Bonifacio, Taguig. (Part of Brgys. Western Bicutan and Pinagsama in Taguig).
  • Btw, the barangay Fort Bonifacio, Taguig can redirect to Bonifacio Global City as they are one and the same. What the article creator does not know is that the barangay does not cover the entire military base which spans three barangays in Taguig actually with the majority of the military installations not in Fort Bonifacio but in Western Bicutan and Pinagsama! Makati Post Proper North and Makati Post Proper South can also redirect to Bonifacio Global City. As far as the disputed BGC is concerned, it only covers the following zones: North Bonifacio, Forbes Town, Uptown Bonifacio, and McKinley West. The rest is undisputedly Taguig1.--RioHondo (talk) 04:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd oppose leaving an article at "Fort Andres Bonifacio". No one calls any place by that exact name (For example, this conversation never happened: "Hey dude, you heard about that fire on Fort Andres Bonifacio?"). –HTD 17:41, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
    • My thoughts exactly. So where do you suggest we keep the military camp article?--RioHondo (talk) 03:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
      • To "Fort Bonifacio". Also, Makati still possesses some parts of Barangay Post Proper North. There's a barangay hall at Lawton Ave., so redirecting Post Proper North to Bonifacio Global City is wrong. Dunno for Post Proper South. –HTD 11:57, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Good. So im not changing my original proposal above. --RioHondo (talk) 16:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Btw, the barangay hall that you mentioned, it does serve Makati's Post Proper Northside but is actually located within Barangay West Rembo according to Google maps/wikimapia. Who knows where the barangay hall is for Post Proper South, maybe in Barangay Dasmariñas Village. :) I think its called extraterritorial jurisdiction, Binay-style. --RioHondo (talk) 16:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
          • I dunno about extraterritoriality but I know for a fact that Makati owns some piece of Post Proper North. I dunno if the barangay hall was erected after the place was "awarded" to Taguig. –HTD 20:58, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
          • FWIW, OpenStreetMap has this area, which is mostly the stretch of Lawton Avenue including Makati City Jail, in Barangay Post Proper North. You can walk around what's left of Makati's Post Proper North in 30 minutes. The extraterritoriality bit doesn't make any sense. Binay may be hated by some sectors of society and will be deposed if elected in 2016 (haha), but let's give him benefit of the doubt in this regard. Also, from what I know, that are several parts of the EMBO barangays that are exclaves because of this mess. –HTD 23:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Fort Bonifacio which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 13:15, 27 December 2014 (UTC)