Talk:Foreign relations of Kazakhstan
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Unexplained revert by KazakhPol edit
KazakhPol, if you have problems with my edits then feel to critique them but it is bad etiquette to say the least for you to make a wholesale revert without even offering any rationale. I would also refer you to the Don'ts of Reverting. --DieWeibeRose 05:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- The part on border issues and illicit drugs violates WP:NPOV's policy on undue weight. The section on Israel has insignificant information that should be moved to a separate page on Israel-Kazakhstan relations - more relevant info could be posted from Karim Masimov or Daniyal Akhmetov or New Great Game. Content on Kaz-U.S. relations should be posted from Kazakhstan-United States relations. KazakhPol 06:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- The sections on border issues and illicit drugs do not violate the NPOV policy re: "undue weight." "NPOV says that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a verifiable source." The viewpoints/facts presented are significant and published by verifiable sources, including the CIA, Transparency International, and the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. You have not begun to meet the burden of showing that they are even "minority views" let alone the viewpoints of an "extremely small (or vastly limited) minority." Your opinion about the Israel section being "insignificant" could be equally applied to the China, Armenia, and Switzerland sections. In any case, in the context of the subject of this article they are significant. Feel free to expand them with other information you consider relevant. Per your remarks, I have added the "main article" template to the US section. --DieWeibeRose 07:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- You misunderstand my point - the sections on illicit drugs and border issues violate WP:NPOV's undue weight clause because they are not significant issues in terms of foreign relations. No one cares about Kazakhstan's illicit drugs because of the drug trade in Afghanistan. Kazakhstan's drugs have no affect on Kazakhstan's foreign relations. No one cares about its border issues because it does not have any real borders - nor do any of the other Central Asian states. The only extent to which borders and illegal drugs come into play is the subset factor they play in cross-border terrorism - and for that text should be taken from Terrorism in Kazakhstan. KazakhPol 09:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'll grant you that Kazakhstan's borders and illicit drug trade are not the most pressing international issues in the world today but within the context of the foreign relations of the country it is patently false that "no one cares." Kazakhstan and the other countries "care" enough to enter into negotiations over borders and the CIA "cares" enough to take note of it. The Kazakh drug issue has attracted the attention of the UN et al. and the funding and attention of the US. I really don't understand your opposition to keeping these sections in the article. --DieWeibeRose 22:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- The CIA Factbook has a section on drug trafficking for every country it lists. KazakhPol 22:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- I'll grant you that Kazakhstan's borders and illicit drug trade are not the most pressing international issues in the world today but within the context of the foreign relations of the country it is patently false that "no one cares." Kazakhstan and the other countries "care" enough to enter into negotiations over borders and the CIA "cares" enough to take note of it. The Kazakh drug issue has attracted the attention of the UN et al. and the funding and attention of the US. I really don't understand your opposition to keeping these sections in the article. --DieWeibeRose 22:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- You misunderstand my point - the sections on illicit drugs and border issues violate WP:NPOV's undue weight clause because they are not significant issues in terms of foreign relations. No one cares about Kazakhstan's illicit drugs because of the drug trade in Afghanistan. Kazakhstan's drugs have no affect on Kazakhstan's foreign relations. No one cares about its border issues because it does not have any real borders - nor do any of the other Central Asian states. The only extent to which borders and illegal drugs come into play is the subset factor they play in cross-border terrorism - and for that text should be taken from Terrorism in Kazakhstan. KazakhPol 09:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- The sections on border issues and illicit drugs do not violate the NPOV policy re: "undue weight." "NPOV says that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a verifiable source." The viewpoints/facts presented are significant and published by verifiable sources, including the CIA, Transparency International, and the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. You have not begun to meet the burden of showing that they are even "minority views" let alone the viewpoints of an "extremely small (or vastly limited) minority." Your opinion about the Israel section being "insignificant" could be equally applied to the China, Armenia, and Switzerland sections. In any case, in the context of the subject of this article they are significant. Feel free to expand them with other information you consider relevant. Per your remarks, I have added the "main article" template to the US section. --DieWeibeRose 07:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Russia edit
Why are Kazakhstan's relations with Russia not mentioned specifically while things such as its relationship with Israel are? Is Kazakhstan not aligned with Russia, despite attempts to present a "bridge" to the international community? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.126.173.118 (talk) 00:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
Nobody here is getting paid for contribution. If you want to mention it, then just add it. And please sign your comments Northern (talk) 07:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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