Talk:Flag of Lithuania

Flag protocol

The present version states "While the flag should be flown from sunrise to sunset,...". I cannot find any reference to this in the Flag law. In Lithuania it is very common to fly the flag in the afternoon before the flag day and to lower it the day after the flag day. Very few flags are illuminated during the night. Although I cannot see that these points are in conflict with the protocol. Do I oversee something...? Jakro64 (talk) 17:38, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

older entries

Looks great! And is no longer a stub. By the way, are there rules regarding whether the flag should be lit up at nighttime, and regarding its proper disposal (burning, not throwing in the trash)? These are important in the US. Novickas 12:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, how about a short listing of persons for whom the flag has been shown at half-mast in the recent past? Novickas 13:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have not seen anything to where the flag needs to be lit; and I will check on the disposal methods of the flag. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 18:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Some questions:

During the Great Seimas..."The Vytis was not chosen for two reasons: the first with the flag being associated with the Lithuanian state." Could you explain this differently?

"The birth of the yellow, green, and red tricolor occurred during a drive by other European republics to change their flags...adopted after the French Revolution...the idea either came from Lithuanian exiles living in Europe or in the United States during the end of the 19th century." That's a puzzlingly long time.

What did people have against gold as a flag color?

"Day of Convening of the Constituent Seimas" - brief explanation and date? "Day of the Battle of Grünwald" - brief explanation and date?

"Octocber 25 - next to the Seimas Building, the Presidential Palace, and Government of Lithuania" - what is that government building?

More pictures! Can you show the 2 different flags flown at the Battle of Grunwald? How about a gallery of county flags so the reader can see the fringe pattern?

Novickas 14:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Also how about some background on why there is both a state and national flag? Novickas 15:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I did everything but the County flags; I added a link to the Commons category of county flags, so they can see the pattern. The website I cited as my source also has a gallery of images of the county flags. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just got another idea: maybe we could start a list of Lithuanian related flags, then put the link in the "see also" section of the article. Would that work? User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

As for government building, it's Gedimino 11, next to the old Vilnius city municipality building on Gediminas Avenue. Renata 23:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

As of December 17th 4:00 CST

Well, I just like seeing galleries within a page. But if you don't want to put one in, and a reader wants to see the county flags, it is certainly not a problem to find them as things stand now.

The article is very interesting and informative and the graphics are great. But as an ordinary person, it seems unusual to me for a country to have two official flags. Did a little research but not enough to find out how often this occurs around the world. If it is indeed unusual, it would be worth mentioning in the lead paragraphs.

I have a vague feeling there is some history here regarding previous bad relationships with the Poles, but this isn't mentioned in the Seimas sites. I suggest you send a note to User:Dr. Dan asking for some historical perspective. Sincerely, Novickas 22:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

From what I saw on the websites I used as sources, it did not really mention much about the conflict between the Poles and the Lithuanians. Because of that, I did not want to try and introduce un-needed politics. Honestly, it is not unusual; Latin American countries and some European nations perform this, so it is not uncommon. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 22:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Added the note about the state flag, a link to the article. I wanted to keep focus of this article about the flag and try not to involve politics that are not needed. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 22:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The Inkscape reference doesn't point to anything? Otherwise very nice. Good luck, Novickas 13:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

That is the program I used for the RGB/CMYK conversion, so I felt it was needed to state how I got the CMYK numbers. I done that before on other articles I wrote about flags. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Similar flags

The flag of Lithuania is next to identical to the flags of the Colombian city of Ibagué and the (unofficial) flag of the Danish island of Ærø (proportions differ). In the case of Ærø, this flag dates from somewhere between 1622 and 1633.[1] and [2] There is another image on the Danish Wikipedia: da:Ærø. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 12:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm....I am not sure if this was worth adding to the article, IMHO. Unless this has gotten siginificant press coverage, such as the Chad v. Romania dispute, then I think that could be mentioned elsewhere. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll leave that entirely up to you. The similarity was noted in Danish media at the time Lithuania became independent, but it is certainly not a matter of international dispute :) In the Danish case, the three stripes represent the island's two former owners: the dukes of Schleswig (yellow) and Denmark (red). Green represents the island itself. I just stumbled over the Colombian article, so I began wondering how many places use these three colours in the same order. Merry Christmas. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 00:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

There is an article being created, pointed out to me last night, called Gallery of confusable flags. The Lithuania flag is listed there with some other tricolors that use the yellow, green, red combination. I won't oppose the addition of the Danish newspaper mention, but I just do not see how it would be relevant, since many other national flags match each other (like Monacco and Inodnesia). Merry Christmas to you too. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:25, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd been looking for an article like that. Thanks for the hint. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 16:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

About falg similarity. The western African flags are made much older than Lithuania. Before Lithuania, the colours were used ONLY in Bolivia.--86.100.205.18 (talk) 13:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the entire section as out of scope, unreferenced original research that was completely indiscriminate without inclusion criteria. The section wasn't here when this article was approved as a Featured Article and it shouldn't be here now (the scope of this rather timeless topic has hardly changed and absolutely no indication of coverage in sources was given). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Tricolor/Tricolour

Saw somebody changed that, today -- have zero interest in getting an edit war on today's FA, but figure it couldn't hurt for some discussion on this, at some point. I'm fine either way, but discussion is rarely a bad idea. – Luna Santin (talk) 06:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I personally would like to keep it at EN-US, since most of the text in the article is written in that way. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 06:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was supposed to be British/Irish because Lithuania's in the EU. I could be wrong though. ShadowHalo 12:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. The recommendation at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (national varieties of English) is to use whatever dialect was originally used for the article. ShadowHalo 12:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

In cases where one particular dialect is obviously preferred (Australia should, as a matter of course, be written in EN-AUS, for example), that can be an easy decision rule. So far as I understand, though, we don't have such a clear preference for Lithuania? If so, then falling back to the "first major contributor" guideline seems appropriate. – Luna Santin (talk) 18:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Lithuanians othen calls they flag TRISPALVĖ.--86.100.205.18 (talk) 13:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Overlinking

What's the point of wikilinking the colour names in the first paragraph? Anyone capable of understanding the article knows what these words mean; the significance of the colours and the precise shades to be used are defined later in the article anyway. Colonies Chris 10:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Constitution

WTF Why is there a picture of the US Constitution on this article? Wait a second, this whole article is about the constitution.

Aspect ratio

It says:

The ratio of both the national and state flag must be 3:5, with the standard flag size to be 1 meter by 1.7 meters

But 1:1.7 isn't a ratio of of 3:5! (It's 10:17). Ben Finn 13:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's pretty close to 3:5, and Lithuania probably doesn't have a meterstick that measures to infinite decimal places because one doesn't exist.GeeZee 15:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It makes no sense either, but that is what Lithuanian law states. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Just want to say a heartfelt thanks to all of you who have been protecting this article from vandalism over the past hours. Novickas 14:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Single Line Of Vandalism...

Single Line of Vandalism on the page for this article... From some twerp named or calling himself Tyler... I'm editing for quality, as in deleting the vandalism... Michael 14:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Protection

Admins can you lock article semi-protected from stupid vandals. --Pontiakas 17:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Request already declined. M.K. 18:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I know it's really, really annoying, but there are some good edits going in there too, and protecting the main page FA always needs a bit more discussion. Keep up the good work, riana_dzasta 18:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

African colors?

It's interesting to note that the flag colors red, green and yellow are described elsewhere as "the colors of African unity." I suppose their similarity to the Lithuanian flag is mere happenstance. See Flag of Ethiopia at right.

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Several other African countries use these colors, too. Sca 21:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

So what?--Lokyz 21:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I just think it is more of a happenstance and the African colors were never cited as a reason why the colors are they way they are. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 23:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

How it is relevant to this article?--Lokyz 23:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It ain't. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 00:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

It's just a strange cowinkydink! Sca 15:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

State flag

Part of this article, called "State flag", is a misinformation. State flag of Lithuania is the same as National flag, is tricolour. In reality, that part talks about "Historical flag". user:lt:nevidonas 2007 02 22

A couple of questions

• Lead paragraph: "The flag was adopted on March 20, 1989 on the reestablishment of independence from the Soviet Union." Lithuania gained independence March 11, 1991, so wouldn't it be more accurate to write, "The flag was adopted on March 20, 1989, almost two years before the reestablishment of independence from the Soviet Union"?
• There's a bit of confusion regarding 1988 vs. 1989. At present, the information can be read two ways: the tricolor was adopted in 1988, the SSR flag was no longer valid at that point, and a legal definition of the tricolor came in 1989. Or the tricolor was adopted in 1988 but remained undefined, so that formal replacement of the tricolor came only in 1989.

"from 1945 until 1989, the Soviet Lithuanian flag consisted..."

"During 1988, when the Lithuanian movement towards independence was gaining strength, the Lithuanian Supreme Soviet again recognized the tricolor as the national flag, formally defining the colors a year later, at which point the tricolor replaced the Soviet Lithuanian flag."

If the first, to make things clearer, I would add the underlined portion to the second sentence. (Though that still leaves the question: what legal status did each flag have between the 1988 tricolor recognition and the 1989 tricolor definition?

Perhaps a footnote in the List of flags of Lithuania, where the same '88-'89 confusion is present, would also be useful. Biruitorul (talk) 15:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to remove date-autoformatting

Dear fellow contributors

MOSNUM no longer encourages date autoformatting, having evolved over the past year or so from the mandatory to the optional after much discussion there and elsewhere of the disadvantages of the system. Related to this, MOSNUM prescribes rules for the raw formatting, irrespective of whether a date is autoformatted or not). MOSLINK and CONTEXT are consistent with this.

There are at least six disadvantages in using date-autoformatting, which I've capped here:

Disadvantages of date-autoformatting

• (1) In-house only

• (a) It works only for the WP "elite".
• (b) To our readers out there, it displays all-too-common inconsistencies in raw formatting in bright-blue underlined text, yet conceals them from WPians who are logged in and have chosen preferences.
• (c) It causes visitors to query why dates are bright-blue and underlined.

• (2) Avoids what are merely trivial differences

• (a) It is trivial whether the order is day–month or month–day. It is more trivial than color/colour and realise/realize, yet our consistency-within-article policy on spelling (WP:ENGVAR) has worked very well. English-speakers readily recognise both date formats; all dates after our signatures are international, and no one objects.

• (3) Colour-clutter: the bright-blue underlining of all dates

• (a) It dilutes the impact of high-value links.
• (b) It makes the text slightly harder to read.
• (c) It doesn't improve the appearance of the page.

• (4) Typos and misunderstood coding

• (a) There's a disappointing error-rate in keying in the auto-function; not bracketing the year, and enclosing the whole date in one set of brackets, are examples.
• (b) Once autoformatting is removed, mixtures of US and international formats are revealed in display mode, where they are much easier for WPians to pick up than in edit mode; so is the use of the wrong format in country-related articles.
• (c) Many WPians don't understand date-autoformatting—in particular, how if differs from ordinary linking; often it's applied simply because it's part of the furniture.

• (5) Edit-mode clutter

• (a) It's more work to enter an autoformatted date, and it doesn't make the edit-mode text any easier to read for subsequent editors.

• (6) Limited application

• (a) It's incompatible with date ranges ("January 3–9, 1998", or "3–9 January 1998", and "February–April 2006") and slashed dates ("the night of May 21/22", or "... 21/22 May").
• (b) By policy, we avoid date autoformatting in such places as quotations; the removal of autoformatting avoids this inconsistency.

Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. Does anyone object if I remove it from the main text in a few days’ time on a trial basis? The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which would give greater prominence to the high-value links. Tony (talk) 11:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggested merge of Lithuanian SSR flag

Never a legal flag of Lithuania, merger not supported. Same if proposed for Estonia and Latvia. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 02:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

All the information is merged, since there was effectively only 1 flag for Soviet Lithuania. The article on the Soviet Lithuania flag also is missing a lot of references and this is the better one. Though I am not sure how would the article Lithuania SSR would be major affected by this merge. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 02:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

The information is more integrated for the Lithuanian article, less so for Estonia and Latvia. The question is, which is the more appropriate treatment. It was never a flag of the real Lithuania. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 04:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Lithuanian flag guard in Vilnius,1939.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

FA concerns

Looking at this as part of the ongoing FA sweeps. This older FA needs some work to get back to the FA criteria. There's some internal inconsistencies - was the tricolor readopted in 1989 as the lead suggests, or adopted in 1988 and confirmed in 1990 as the body suggests? Also, there's uncited text in place, some reference formatting issues including a bare url, and the use of several sources that are unreliable, such as FlagSpot, Flags of the World, and Vexilla Mundi. This article needs either significant work or a featured article review. Hog Farm _Talk 03:35, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: The flag was re-adopted on 18 November 1988 per Seimas website. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:10, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

File:Lietuvos Respublikos Valst. veliava iki 1940.jpg

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@Sabbatino: Why is the 1940 flag removed? --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 09:25, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@Лобачев Владимир: The historical flag was different – source for the flag. In addition, it did not have yellow or any other color besides white. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:03, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Maybe you're right. But on the source on the left, there are projects of unapproved flags. This is clearly visible from the tricolor with the coat of arms in the corner of the flag, which has not been approved. If it's a matter of color, then you can change it (remove the yellow). Are there other sources on the national flag of the Republic of Lithuania with the coat of arms with Vytis? --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 12:02, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Here is a photograph of the national flag. In the photo, the blanket under the saddle and the background of the rider's shield are light gray. It is probably light red in color. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 12:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@Лобачев Владимир: You can find more here. It roughly says that "the historical flag was red with a white knight on a horse on obverse side, and the Columns of Gediminas on the reverse side". It can be assumed from the source that horse's appearance changed through time (from 1917 to 1940) – the whole horse was either white or had colors on its decorations. – Sabbatino (talk) 12:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, nice photos of the flag. Made a flag with a white Vitis. Will this option suit? --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Original source states that it is only a poster, thus this design is not accepted by the government. There is no need to insert fake user generated flags, not supported by Lithuanian sources, when there are authentic photographs (like this one). In this case, black and white illustration is incomparably more valuable than modern user-generated fake flags. This is FA-class article and WP:OR will not be tolerated. -- Pofka (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

The official image of the 1918-1940 flag was never approved by the government. Therefore, no image can be called official. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 07:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Alex K Grundwald flags 1410-03

There is some edit warring going on over the battle flag shown at the beginning of the history section. I don't believe it needs to have a reference here, as the file source details should suffice. However the file source details are a set of 33 coloured postcards from 1991. Surely a better source can be found for a battle flag used at Grunwald. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 13:11, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

It's not exactly the flag used at Grunwald by Lithuanian forces. How they look we know only from the Jan Długosz description and it is as follows: The third banner, the pennantlife guard [of the king of Poland], had as a sign a man in armor, swinging a sword, sitting on a white horse on a red field. (...) The fifty-first banner, that of the Lithuanian prince Zygmunt Korybut, had as a sign a man in armor sitting on a horse on a red field. (...) Apart from that, there were 40 banners of the Lithuanian army under Grand Duke Alexander Vytautas (...) Almost every one of them had an armed man sitting on a white, sometimes black, red or mottled horse and shaking a hand with a sword on a red field. So according to the description the Lithuanian mark did not have a double-cross on the shield, a detail that surely Dlugosz would have taken into account. He could not have anyway because double cross was the personal emblem of JagielloMarcelus (talk) 18:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

If the colors of the coat of arms on the flag are not indicated, then why should we indicate colors that are identical to the modern coat of arms of the Republic of Lithuania? Why not Belarus, or the Russian Empire? It seems to me that any binding to any country after 1795 is politically engaged original research. --Лобачев Владимир (talk) 18:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

When it was adopted ?

The year Lithuania was adopted was 1940 2A00:23C7:AF92:2D01:D8EA:5B3B:F2F4:2B2E (talk) 20:40, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Flag of Lithuania in the Kingdom of Lithuania (1918), Why reversion ?

The Kingdom of Lithuania was founded in February 1918 and so it was the Lithuanian system of goverment in April 1918, so, why it was revisioned as "false" (see the wiki about this Kingdom) ? Alternow (talk) 20:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The Kingdom of 1918 never existed. So that is why it is false to assume that the flag was adopted by it. – sbaio 21:37, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

The Kingdom of Lithuania existed from February to November 1918 (see Kingdom of Lithuania (1918)), or what it was then Lituania ? Alternow (talk) 17:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

The kingdom existed only on paper, because the elected king was never coronated. Lithuania was ruled by the Council of Lithuania, while Germany provided with some support. – sbaio 16:00, 10 December 2023 (UTC)