Talk:First Strike (1996 film)

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Celestina007 in topic Requested move 7 January 2020

Requested move 7 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved Celestina007 (talk) 17:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC) (non-admin closure)Reply


Police Story 4: First StrikeFirst Strike (film)WP:COMMONNAME. The most common titles are "First Strike" and "Jackie Chan's First Strike", with the former being the most popular. There is another film titled First Strike, but it is far less well known, so a hatnote will do, because this is the clear primary topic. 94.3.180.110 (talk) 17:35, 7 January 2020 (UTC) Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

The evidence is clear that in reliable English language sources, "First Strike" and "Jackie Chan's First Strike" are by far the most common titles. I'm sure your personal preference will be taken into account, though. 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:399C:E35B:C026:BE7C (talk) 10:30, 23 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
The nominator's IP (94.3.180.110 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)), yours (2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:399C:E35B:C026:BE7C (talk · contribs · WHOIS)), and another account's (2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:1950:AE3:4007:98A5 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)) are detected by one of WHOIS tools to be located in the same location. Also, those edits seem to be primarily interested in editing pages about Jackie Chan movies. Aren't they coincidences? George Ho (talk) 14:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
@George Ho: WP:NCF and WP:EN have made it clear that articles about foreign subjects (or in this case a foreign film) should be titled by the name used in the English-speaking world (US, UK, etc.), and that title is Jackie Chan's First Strike. You've gone incognito (talkcontribs) 14:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
I think more weight should be given to more recent (and undated?) sources using either titles, especially by narrowing down the search results:
  • Jackie Chan's First Strike: BBFC, DoBlu, LA Times, one book
  • First Strike: Silver Emulsion, SlashFilm, Commercial Real Estate, Beat mag, Film School Rejects, Sydney Morning Herald, TV Over Mind, Forbes, NPR, one book (though also using alternative titles, which it subsides), another book
  • Police Story 4: First Strike (or Police Story 4): SCMP, AV Club, Gamespot, Medium.com, Cinema Blend, one Sunshine Coast Daily article requiring subscription, SBS (Australia), TheInnerSane, Inverse, Looper,
  • Den of Geek uses both the current title and First Strike and seems to use "First Strike" more often but also uses the full title as section header. IMO, that should count as using the full title; I think the writer was using the shorter title to save more writing time.
    I hate to say this, but "Jackie Chan's First Strike" has been less used recently than two other titles, like "Police Story 4". "First Strike" may have been commonly used recently, but then I'm unsure whether "(1996 film)" is more desirable than the currently used natural disambiguation. If you have evidence contradicting what I stand by, then please give me other reliable sources saying otherwise. Shopping or streaming sites don't count, IMHO. George Ho (talk) 16:55, 23 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

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    @Celestina007: May you please give rationale for the move? Thanks. George Ho (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

    George Ho, hello Gerorge, i trust all is well & good for you. Now to answer your question it appeared as though the consensus & rationale to move the title to First Strike (film) out weighed those who wanted it to retain its current title. Despite the discussion being Relisted it appeared as though only one individual wanted it to retain its current title & I didn’t just do a head count per se but always viewed the rationale for both the supporting side & opposing side. Finally it appeared as though the discussion had gone semi inactive as the last rationale provided was on the 23rd of January (7 days ago) for a discussion that has lasted for 23 days I believed it was time to take the appropriate action hence I moved the page accordingly according to the request made. Have I answered your question?. Celestina007 (talk) 20:36, 30 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
    I see. Well, I'll leave the outcome as-is then. BTW, I created the page of the former title as the redirect. George Ho (talk) 20:40, 30 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
    George Ho oh! okay then. Do have a nice day ahead.Celestina007 (talk) 09:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)Reply