Talk:Fever (Dua Lipa and Angèle song)

The Sun

Since The Sun is an unreliable source and we are unable to include it in the article, here are the links to the two article mentioned:

• Dua Lipa's music video shoot raided by cops after star and extras 'flouted' Covid rules
• Dua Lipa – an apology

We may have to refer to these for descriptions of what the articles wrote. Even though this is an unreliable source, since Lipa herself called it out, it is important to include their false reports. LOVI33 14:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 30 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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moved Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Fever (Dua Lipa song) → Fever (Dua Lipa and Angèle song) – I have been able to verify by references that the song was credited as a duet and not a featuring.

References

Alexismata7 (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

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Angèle - a featured artist?

Hello all! I am wondering if Angèle is a featured artist or not. User Alexismata7 has already changed her to a lead artist, but I am still uncertain. Lipa mentioned twice, and Warner Music UK referred to her as a featured artist, plus the cover art released (shown in infobox) mentions her as a featured artist. Many sources have also mentioned that she is a featured artist:

• Billboard: Dua Lipa feat. Angèle, "Fever"
• NME: 'Fever', featuring Belgian singer Angèle
• Official Charts Company: Fever ft. Belgian pop singer Angèle
• Consequence of Sound: a new single called "Fever" featuring Belgian singer Angèle
• Vulture: "Fever," featuring Belgium singer Angèle
• Evening Standard: a sultry track featuring Belgian singer Angèle
• Stereoboard: Dua Lipa Drops New Single Fever Featuring Angèle
• She is additionally credited as a featured artist on all charting websites. Some Examples: Australia, France, Belgium

Many sources have also referred to it as a collaboration with Angèle, which doesn't necessarily mean she is a lead artist, I just thought it is worth mentioning:

• Rolling Stone: Dua Lipa has joined forces with Belgium’s Angèle for the sultry new song "Fever."
• Idolator: teaming up with Belgian pop star Angèle for a new single called "Fever."
• Stereogum: with the Belgian singer Angèle
• Pitchfork: Dua Lipa has teamed up with Belgian singer-songwriter Angèle for a new song called "Fever."
• The pre-save page additionally refers to it as a collaboration between Lipa and Angèle.

Finally, On digital download and streaming platforms: Apple Music, Tidal, Spotify, Deezer, Pandora, Amazon Music and YouTube (both audio and lyric videos) refer to Angèle as a lead artist. Qobuz refers to solely Lipa as the main artist, but also a collaboration between the two, while YouTube Music refers to her as a featured artist. So what do you think? LOVI33 14:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @LOVI33: I think the sources you cite could be influenced by the artwork which says the song is a featuring with Angèle. I think the final answer is given by the streaming platforms. Per MOS:TITLE we had to wait until this date today to know the accreditation of the official release. This is a case similar to the request move of "Rain on Me". Alexismata7 (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Alexismata7, I am not disagreeing with you, but I just think its weird how the promotion buildup (Social media post's by Lipa and Warner Music, plus the cover art) credited Angèle as a featured artist, but credited her as a lead artists on digital download and streaming platforms. I have reviewed the "Rain on Me" requested move, and It was requested before the song was released. As far as I'm aware, Ariana Grande was never credited as a featured artist like Angèle was so I think we definitely need to establish a consensus before moving the page. LOVI33 17:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@LOVI33: You're right. Let's see what others think. @Livelikemusic:, @Nahnah4:, @AshMusique:, @Lk95:, @Lil-unique1:, @TheSkinsAdded: @Carbrera: Alexismata7 (talk) 02:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Before I saw the cover art I was more inclined to say she was a co-lead artist but the cover art says “featuring” on it so I honestly don’t know what to think. If the cover art just had the two artists’ names on it, then I’d be more inclined to say co-lead since that’s what the streaming services say. But since the cover art says featured, and so do multiple sources, this is made more complicated. Unlike Rain on Me, which to my knowledge was billed as Gaga and Grande almost everywhere, this appears to be a more difficult issue to solve. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 13:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@CAMERAwMUSTACHE: @LOVI33: Particularly the artwork was revealed days before the release, indicating that the song would be a featuring. When the release day arrived, the accreditation was changed, I think we should be guided by the official credits that musical platforms provide, beyond what media like Billboard, NME, Vulture and Consequence of Sound can interpret about whether it is a duet or a featuring. Alexismata7 (talk) 15:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• The retail listings say "Dua Lipa & Angele" as does streaming. Other option would be to leave until it charts. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 21:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Based upon the links provided I would support an article name change to "Fever (Dua Lipa and Angèle song)". Carbrera (talk) 23:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC).

Lil-unique1 makes a good point. Maybe we should wait to see how the Official Charts Company and Billboard credit Angèle on chart positions, assuming the song charts in the United States and United Kingdom. As I mentioned above, chart tracking websites such as australian-charts.com mention her as a featured artist. LOVI33 01:13, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Also Universal Music Publishing say on their homepage "feat. Angele" but "& Angele" on the single page. Just to add to the confusion. Having said that, Dua is signed to Warner and Warner are releasing the single. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 01:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I think they were initially going to make Angèle a featured artist prior to the release, but decided to change it after. Might explain why secondary sources all say Angèle due to press releases, while the streaming services all seem to suggest she is a lead artist. I would support the name change, but I also have a similar problem over at Talk:Lemonade (Internet Money and Gunna song), so I would be interested to see what you guys think about my move request for that article too. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs) 17:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Per this interview with Dua and Angele, which is supported by the record label, it's clearly Dua Lipa's song. She says she wrote it and sent it to Angele. The cover art pops up, so does a caption saying "Dua Lipa feat. Angele" and then also the record label is listed as Warner which is Dua's record label. The interview is from the 30th. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 16:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Lil-unique1: I didn't see any record label coverage in the interview. The video is an exclusive from Konbini, a source that in the video credited the song as featuring, said source has no relationship with Warner Records, it is another unofficial source that interprets that Angèle is a featured artist. Having a definitive position is difficult because the official credits say one thing but the interview invites us to interpret the case in another way. Alexismata7 (talk) 17:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain if the label / Dua's manager weren't happy with the interview they would not have allowed it to present in that way. The record labels provide the info to the charts which already list "featured" as does the single cover. It might be worth waiting for Billboard or a direct label source. ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 17:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Right now I don't really have an opinion yet, I'm probably going to wait for more info such as chart positions, but the interview Lil-unique1 provided makes a good point. Warner Records is clearly attempting to push this song as a feature. Here are some examples from Warner Records UK and Warner Music UK that support this, but I think we can all agree that Dua is the main artist, even if Angèle is also a lead. LOVI33 18:41, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

So according to the Official Chart Company's UK Trending song chart, Angèle is credited as a featured artist. Right now it looks like the song is predicted to enter the UK Singles Chart so we can also see then, but we should also wait for Billboard's credit. LOVI33 15:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, the music video is out and credits Angèle as lead artist. Alexismata7 (talk) 13:17, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes I think I will support the move now as the Official Charts Company has credited Angèle as a lead artist. LOVI33 18:23, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Angèle's first English song？

I find some content of this article says it is the first English song of Angèle. But Angèle's earlier work "La Loi de Murphy" also has many English lyriclyrics… But both of them have many French lyrics, which is apparently different from English. So,how do we define the word, English song? Or maybe we should use other words to replace it.--波斯波莉斯 (talk) 06:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

It's indeed not her first English-language song, "La Loi de Murphy" and "Flemme" from 2017 have also lyrics in English sung by Angèle. In fact, she doesn't even sing in English on "Fever" (except a small part of the chorus). It might be sourced, but "Fever" being her first English-language song remains incorrect. I rather think it should be described as "Angèle's first participation on an English/foreign/international song". Romain Rousseau (talk) 22:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fever (Dua Lipa and Angèle song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Ultimate Boss (talk · contribs) 05:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Expect review to be done by this weekend. The Ultimate Boss (talk) 05:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

The Ultimate Boss You removed the review template again that appears by default when creating the page, which means the bot has not registered this review as open. --K. Peake 16:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

The Ultimate Boss, any updates on this review? LOVI33 05:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

LOVI33It looks like The Ultimate Boss is semi-retired (according to their page). Leoseliv (talk) 18:13, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Second opinion

I have opened this review for a second opinion as it doesn't seem the user who offered to complete this review will get it done. Any comments would be amazing. Thanks! LOVI33 12:47, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

This is not the way to do it as the original reviwer will get the credit for someone else. I will let BlueMoonset know so he can removed the review which was opened, without loosing its order in the queue. I'm not sure how to do it, henceforh I won't. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fever (Dua Lipa and Angèle song)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 07:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Being that this article has been in the queue for over two months, it must relieving to see it getting taken on for review... for anyone who sees that this is GA2, that is inaccurate since the first one was supposed to be closed but nobody ever got round to it. --K. Peake 07:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Shouldn't the languages be separated using bullet points instead in the infobox?
  • Template:Infobox song does not have any guidelines for multiple languages but I have always seen them separated using hlist. LOVI33 03:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
• Add the countries after the names of the cities
• Add a comma after second studio album
• "by the two artists alongside" → "by the singers alongside"
• "Julia Michaels, and its producer" → "Julia Michaels and the sole producer" per British English
• Add a sentence directly after the above one mentioning that it was supposed to be included on the original version of the album, though Lipa decided the beat did not have a suitable sound, or something similar
• "It was released for" → "The song was released for"
• Shouldn't a comma be before "through"?
• Pipe single to Single (music)
• ""Fever" is a" → "It is a"
• "Lyrically it uses a metaphor of infatuation as a sickness, and" → "Lyrically, the song uses a metaphor of infatuation to demonstrate a sickness and"
• "of Belgium as well as" → "of Belgium, while also reaching the summit of" to be less repetitive
• Remove the 18 weeks stat, as that is not notable for the lead
• "The song also reached the top ten" → "It further reached the top 10" per MOS:NUM
• "It was awarded a" → "The song was awarded a" plus mention the names of the bodies that gave the certifications
• Remove wikilink on London
• "but being safe when" → "but have safety when"
• "It features the two singers" → "The video features Lipa and Angèle"
• "promoted the single" → "promoted the song"

 Done

Background

• Retitle to Background and development
• "Jacob Kasher Hindlin, and" → "Jacob Kasher Hindlin and"
• "was handled by" → "was handled solely by"
• "on her second studio album Future Nostalgia," → "on Future Nostalgia,"
• "save it for a permutation of the album." → "save the song for a later release." per the source, plus that is accurate anyway
• "showed her Angèle's music video for" → "showed her the singer's music video for" with the wikilink
• Pipe single to Single (music)
• "They had been friends" → "The singers had been friends" because this is the start of a new para
• Remove wikilinks on United States, Belgium and Paris
• "the song, and for Angèle to propose changes," → "the song and Angèle also proposed changes,"
• Shouldn't keyboard be piped to Keyboard instrument?
• "to sing in French." → "to sing in the language."
• "The song marks" → "The song marked" but aren't the two statements of this sentence basically saying the same thing reworded?
  • Removed second statement. LOVI33 03:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done

Music and lyrics

• Audio sample looks mostly good, but maybe mention on the text what part of the song it demonstrates? A source is not required for this info, as it is basically implied.
• ""Fever" is a" → "Musically, "Fever" is a"
• Are you sure there should be a comma before with in the second sentence?
• "while it adds an additional D chord to" → "while an additional D chord is added to"
• "that includes hand claps and snap sounds." → "that contains hand claps and a snap sound."
• "synths while it as a whole features airy instrumentals" → "synths, while it as a whole features airy instrumentation"
• "and French with their" → "and French, with their"
• Pipe ranging to Vocal range
• "Lipa begins the song and" → "She begins the song and"
• "sing together following that." → "sing together afterwards."
• "and what comes with" → "as well as what comes with"
• "playful," while Angèle is "softer, pleading, almost despondent."" → "playful", while Angèle is "softer, pleading, almost despondent"." per MOS:QUOTE

 Done

Release and promotion

• Remove wikilinks on music video and London
• "on social media" → "via social media"
• "that their collaboration would be called" → "that the collaboration would be titled" but the title being revealed and the October 24 date are not backed up
  • It appears in the archive source. LOVI33 03:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
• Remove pipe on single
• "it was added to" → "it was set to be added to"
• "Also that day," → "Also on 30 October 2020," since you last used an actual date three sentences ago plus this has the same meaning
• "on the physical French editions" → "on the physical French edition"
• "boudoir wearing matching" → "boudoir while wearing matching"
• "the two singers performed" → "the singers performed"
• Is the medley really notable when it does not include "Fever" and artists often perform multiple songs at shows?
  • Removed. LOVI33 03:56, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done

Critical reception

• "with one and other." → "with one another."
• "how the duo's vocals" → "how their vocals"
• "and called the song a" → "calling the song a"
• "bop," and commended" → "bop" and commended"
• "Elvis Presley, and Peggy Lee influences, and saw" → "Elvis Presley and Peggy Lee influences, seeing"
• "at the same time."" → "at the same time"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "and undeniably catchy."" → "and undeniably catchy"."
• "of boiling over."" → "of boiling over"."
• "especially on the hook, and called" → "particularly on the hook, also calling"
• "a "satisfying assist."" → "a "satisfying assist"."
• "praised its beat calling it "fleet" and "efficient," and stating it" → "praised the beat, which they called "fleet" and "efficient", as well as stating it"
• "They additionally praised" → "The staff additionally praised"
• Pop should be piped to Pop music for the Euphoria Magazine review instead
• "dance pop tune,"" → "dance pop tune","
• Change Consequence of Sound to Consequence with the pipe
• "infections pop song,"" → "infectio[us] pop song"," because that is probably what the reviewer actually meant despite the grammar
• Uproxx should not be italicised
• "thumping pop tune."" → "thumping pop tune"."
• "on its 2020 best songs of 2020 list," → "on its list of the year's best songs,"

 Done

Commercial performance

• "received 14,000,000 streams" → "received 14,400,000 streams" per the source
• "peak of 69," → "peak of number 69,"
• The two weeks part is not backed up for the UK and Canada charts, so reword to how it reached the position on both of the charts instead
  • For the UK, if you press the plus symbol next to the song position, it backs up that it up. For Canada, it says that it spent two weeks on the chart and it didn't enter the chart following that week. Unfortunately, the song doesn't appear on Lipa's archive page so this is the only way it can be backed up. Also, what do you mean by "how it reached the position"? Do you mean like "It debuted at number ... and reached a peak of ..."?

• You can keep the two weeks part, but change the end of the sentence to "peaking at number 79 on both charts" since the countries themselves aren't mentioned by name in this sentence. --K. Peake 07:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

•  Done. LOVI33 14:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

• "debuted at number 2." → "debuted at number two." per MOS:NUM
• "the chart's summit becoming Angèle's second number one single" → "the chart's summit, becoming Angèle's second number one single in the country"
• "the chart's summit becoming Angèle's first number one single" → "the chart's summit, becoming Angèle's first number one single in Flanders"

 Done

Music video

Background and release

• Retitle to Background
• "in mid-October 2020." → "during mid-October 2020." but the tweet does not mention this, or is it sourced by the YouTube video?
  • My mistake, added the source in. LOVI33 04:27, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
• "was filmed over" → "was shot over" to be less repetitive
• "had "flouted" rules" → "had "flout[ed]" national rules"
• "and that the set was raided by" → "claiming that the set was interrupted by"
• It does not say that the complaints were specifically issued by residents there
  • Removed. LOVI33 04:27, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
• "who she didn't name." → "who she did not mention by name."
• "broken, and that" → "broken and that"
• "with a live chat" → "by a live chat"

 Done

Synopsis

• Img looks good!
• I know what MOS:PLOTSOURCE is, but shouldn't some parts like the clothes being worn require sourcing?
  • I think it should be okay to include since it doesn't mention brands or anything. LOVI33 04:32, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
• "and requesting to take her to" → "and requesting to be taken to"
• "and apologies to" → "and apologizes to"
• "The duo goes back onto the streets with" → "The two head back onto the streets, with"
• "the police cars blue lights" → "the police cars' blue lights" with the pipe
• "in which Lipa responds" → "to which she responds"
• Should commas be around her boyfriend's name?
• "The two then dance" → "The singers then dance"
• "As they make their way through" → "As the two progress through" to be less repetitive
• "Angèle, and the two girls sing Angèle's" → "Angèle and the two girls sing the latter's"
• "and for being too loud." → "and being too loud."
• "part-goers sit" → "party-goers sit"
• "smoking, and drinking" → "smoking and drinking"
• "closes with the duo entering" → "closes with the singers entering"

 Done

Reception

• "and cheerful," while" → "and cheerful", while" per MOS:QUOTE
• "during COVID times." → "during the COVID-19 pandemic."
• "escape," and thought it represented" → "escape" and thought it represents"
• "in the COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns." → "in the pandemic lockdowns."
• Remove pipe on Billboard
• "where one could go to bar, walk the streets, and" → "where people could go to bars, walk the streets and"
• Remove wikilink on Rolling Stone
• "the duo "immersing themselves in London nightlife,"" → "Lipa and Angèle "immersing themselves in London nightlife","
• "called the places Lipa and Angèle go" → "said they variate between each" or something similar
• ""lively house jam."" → ""lively house jam"."

 Done

Track listing

• Good

Credits and personnel

• Should Dua Lipa and Angèle be wikilinked to their respective articles?

 Done

Charts

• Good

Certifications

• Good

Release history

• Good

See also

• Good

References

• Copyvio score looks phenomenal at 8.3%!!!!
• Consequence of Sound → Consequence on ref 16, piping to Consequence (publication)
• Are you sure ref 17 is a reliable source?
  • Removed. LOVI33 04:46, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
• Normally wikilinking isn't an issue, but shouldn't Apple Music be only linked once per citation for the refs with multiple ones?
• Cite Uproxx as publisher instead for ref 47
• Fix MOS:CAPS issues with refs 64, 68 and 69
• Why does ref 72 not wikilink YouTube?

 Done

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are addressed, took a few days! --K. Peake 18:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review Kyle Peake! I had to finish the improvements fast as I am probably going to be inactive on Wikipedia for the next few days. Let me know if any more improvements need to be made. LOVI33 04:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

• LOVI33 Very slick response and I'll tell you this now while you are still awaiting potential comments; I left one improvement still pending for commercial performance and you need to change ref 52's date to using 2020 instead of 2021. --K. Peake 07:18, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake I have fixed the commercial performance prose and the incorrect citation date. I hope everything looks okay now. LOVI33 14:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

• LOVI33 ✓ Pass now, good job and fortunate you were able to make the final fixes in time! --K. Peake 20:46, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Article history

For anyone confused as to why only the second GA review is in the history on this talk page, it is because the first review was closed due to the nominator abandoning it but deletion was never followed through with. --K. Peake 20:50, 1 July 2021 (UTC)