Talk:Festive amazon

Requested move 17 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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• Festive amazon → Festive Amazon
• Vinaceous-breasted amazon → Vinaceous-breasted Amazon
• Tucumán amazon → Tucumán Amazon
• Red-spectacled amazon → Red-spectacled Amazon
• Black-billed amazon → Black-billed Amazon
• White-fronted amazon → White-fronted Amazon
• Yellow-billed amazon → Yellow-billed Amazon
• Cuban amazon → Cuban Amazon
• Hispaniolan amazon → Hispaniolan Amazon
• Puerto Rican amazon → Puerto Rican Amazon
• Lilac-crowned amazon → Lilac-crowned Amazon
• Red-lored amazon → Red-lored Amazon
• Lilacine amazon → Lilacine Amazon
• Diademed amazon → Diademed Amazon
• Red-crowned amazon → Red-crowned Amazon
• Yucatan amazon → Yucatan Amazon
• Blue-cheeked amazon → Blue-cheeked Amazon
• Red-browed amazon → Red-browed Amazon
• Red-necked amazon → Red-necked Amazon
• Saint Lucia amazon → Saint Lucia Amazon
• Yellow-headed amazon → Yellow-headed Amazon
• Tres Marías amazon → Tres Marías Amazon
• Yellow-naped amazon → Yellow-naped Amazon
• Yellow-crowned amazon → Yellow-crowned Amazon
• Panama amazon → Panama Amazon
• Yellow-shouldered amazon → Yellow-shouldered Amazon
• Blue-fronted amazon → Blue-fronted Amazon
• Scaly-naped amazon → Scaly-naped Amazon
• Northern mealy amazon → Northern mealy Amazon
• Southern mealy amazon → Southern mealy Amazon
• Kawall's amazon → Kawall's Amazon
• Imperial amazon → Imperial Amazon
• Red-tailed amazon → Red-tailed Amazon
• Orange-winged amazon → Orange-winged Amazon
• Saint Vincent amazon → Saint Vincent Amazon
• Guadeloupe amazon → Guadeloupe Amazon
• Martinique amazon → Martinique Amazon
• Blue-winged amazon → Blue-winged Amazon

– Move to capitalized titles, per MOS:COMMONNAMECAPS. Amazon parrots, per our article - "The genus name is a Latinized version of the name Amazone given to them in the 18th century by the Comte de Buffon, who believed they were native to Amazonian jungles". Therefore, as the name of a geographical area, I think "Amazon" is a proper noun and should thus be capitalized when used in a species name. Note that not all Amazons are found in *the* Amazon, but a lot of them indeed are. Looking back through the talkpage archives of WP:BIRDS, I see that this issue has been raised multiple times (one of those times was by myself) and several people have made similar points to mine above, but nothing ever seems to have been decided and no-one has ever started a move request. I thought it was about time now. Iloveparrots (talk) 18:46, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

I have amended two lines of the proposal to use "Saint" rather than "St." since those two pages were redirects rather than articles. {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 06:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing my error - much appreciated. Iloveparrots (talk) 12:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support, per WP:NCFAUNACAPS: Where a vernacular name contains a proper name, that is also capitalised—for example, Small Indian civet. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:12, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, my vote is to keep amazon parrots lower case as it is a type of parrot, not a bird with a proper name. Although amazon parrots were named that way because they were originally all thought to be from the Amazon jungle, many species are found beyond there and would look unordinary if Amazon parrots were capitalized. Amazons are parrots and should only be capitalized if it's the first word in a title or the first word in a sentence, as it is now..PVMoutside — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvmoutside (talk • contribs) 00:39, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, needs evidence from reliable secondary sources. It's not unheard of for something named after a place to be lowercased; see bikini, frankfurter, brie... 162 etc. (talk) 18:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose not a proper name. We don't capitalize turkey (bird), regardless of the name being derived from that of a country. The same principle applies here. Walt Yoder (talk) 22:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose it would be best to keep as is. Catfurball (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• For background, see the discussion from 2014 at Talk:Amazon parrot#Uppercase Amazon? SchreiberBike | ⌨  02:08, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Lots of things that are ultimately eponyms are lower-cased. There is no one-to-one relationship between "has some relationship to a proper name way back when" and "capitalize this".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:35, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.