Talk:Fernando Morán (politician)

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Requested move 20 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 13:50, 5 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Fernando Morán (politician) → Fernando Morán López – : Per WP:NATDIS; see Fernando Morán for other people named Fernando Morán. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:51, 20 February 2020 (UTC)—Relisted. – Ammarpad (talk) 07:18, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

I see this is a case of weighing criteria 1 (natural disambiguator) versus criteria 3 (parenthetical disambiguator). I don't think the full name is exactly "obscure"; while not "dominant" when compared to Fernando Morán, the full name with two surnames is how the individual is formally recorded in a lot of places. Although the former first-glance analysis of "recordings" refers chiefly to the corpus of Spanish-language sources, he is also adressed as such in the (more limited) corpus of English-language sources. I am not entirely familiar with the "Case law" in en:wikipedia regarding the compromise between the two surnames conventionally used in most of Spanish-speaking countries and the parenthetical disambiguator. In addition, I am not sure if it makes a difference, but it could be also argued the choice of the descriptor "politician" over "diplomat" is not a clear-cut one either. Disclaimer: I moved the article to Fernando Morán López in August 2018; the title went back to Fernando Morán (politician) in January 2020.--Asqueladd (talk) 03:32, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Also, parenthetics are better disambiguator than seldom-used second last name.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ortizesp (talk • contribs)

Comment: What does "seldom-used" mean? I don't think that is an honest assessment. Most of the obituaries I am reading introduce the full name in the first sentence. An even in English-languages sources, checking google search, the ratio of mentions with two surnames plus Spanish minister vs one surname plus Spanish minister is contained in the 10⁰ order of magnitude: yes, the given name+first surname is dominant but the use of the second last name is not "obscure", so let's not act as if it were the case.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Oppose - using his profession is a better disambiguator. Giant Snowman 19:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
WP:NATURALDIS are preferred. It is also what is used in the Spanish Wikipedia: es:Fernando Morán López. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Also note although the two-name version is common, the three-name version is not obscure. It is found in many secondary sources and official documents: [1][2][3][4][5] --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 01:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

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