Talk:Fatalities in mixed martial arts contests

Title should be deaths in MMA, not sanctioned MMA

It should be split into two sections, deaths in MMA and then sanctioned MMA. Otherwise there should be another article for deaths in general. It looks like people are just trying to cover up some of the other deaths like Douglas Dedge to make it seem like not so many have died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.196.9 (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support rename. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

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The Korean fight death is pretty common knowledge. Run a google search for it and it comes up right away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RKing85 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Removed a reference to an "unnamed Korean fight" who apparently died in some unsanctioned MMA event. Please provide source

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Death shocked MMA. Many MMA fans knew of Vasquez. His death may be the main reason several people know of him but others think over wise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandlerjoeyross (talk • contribs) 14:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

This article needs some work, there's next to no content and half of what is there is about a different MMA fighter who also died. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.50.88.152 (talk) 19:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

This article suggests that the fighter had a preexisting blood clot however the source that it quote to support this statements makes no reference to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.120.51 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

comparison to boxing

professional mma is compared to professional boxing in terms of danger of injury.

For injuries, the 2006 study has reasonable statistics suggesting that the rate of incidence is comparable. However, they explicitly exclude brain damage from their scope. Now in terms of fatalities, the rate in professional boxing is pretty well known, based on ample statistics. Svinth (2007) based on the Velazquez collection estimates a death rate for male professional boxers in Nevada at about one death in 6,600 matches. ("76 deaths per million match participants (5 deaths/[293 months x {113 bouts per month x 2 fighters per bout}] x 1,000,000")[1]

So, if boxing and mma were equally dangerous, you would expect two deaths after 13,000 matches. To compare this with mma, we would need to know the total number of sanctioned mma matches during the 2001-2011 period. If the number is much greater than 13,000, the inference could be drawn that to date, mma would appear to be less dangerous than boxing. If the number is much smaller than 13,000, mma would seem to be more dangerous. But with a data base of two incidents, "much" in this case would mean more than 100%, so if there were anywhere between 5,000 and 25,000 sanctioned mma matches, no meaningful conclusion can be drawn.

Now I don't know the total number of sanctioned mma matches. But here is some information of the total number of bouts 1999-2011 organized by the leading promoters:

KOTC.... 2390 fights

Shooto.... 2284 fights

Pancrase.... 1998 fights

Deep.... 1647 fights

UFC.... 1571 fights

M-1 Global.... 1219 fights

Extreme Challenge.... 1184 fights

These numbers add up to close to the 13,000 figure mentioned above. So, based on all of the above, I think it can be said that (based on such slim statistics as there are available to date) it looks like that professional mma is comparable in risk to professional boxing, not just in terms of minor injuries but also in terms of fatalities. --dab (𒁳) 17:47, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

There are around 20,000 pro boxers active in the world and over a million amateurs as opposed to around 1000 pro MMA fighters. There haven't even been 20,000 pro MMA fights yet. Of course boxing will be higher right now. MMA'a death rate has been getting higher. There were three deaths in 2011 and already in 2012 there have been three deaths. The most recent one happened today, Dustin Jenson of South Dakota died today, suffering a seizure after tapping out to a choke hold. I'm not going to bother editing that into the article since I tried before and someone is censoring the page. 83.71.73.167 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

"A 2006 study suggests"

The sentences "Because of the young age of the sport and the small number of fatalities to date, little statistical inference can be drawn. A 2006 study suggests that the risk of injury in general in MMA is comparable to that in professional boxing.[1] " give the impression that there are as many head injuries in mma as in boxing (which would be the main cause of death in boxing and in mma), where as the study itself says there likely is less brain injury because mma fighters generally absorb less blows to the head than boxers. So the latter sentence should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.140.56.58 (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

so, if boxing and mma were equally dangerous, you would expect two deaths after 13,000 matches. But I find no information on the total number of sanctioned mma matches. If the number is much greater than 13,000, the inference could be drawn that to date, mma would appear to be less dangerous than boxing. If the number is much smaller than 13,000, mma would seem to be more dangerous. But with a data base of two incidents, "much" in this case would mean more than 100%, so if there were anywhere between 5,000 and 25,000 sanctioned mma matches, no meaningful conclusion can be drawn. --146.115.56.125

Booto Guylain

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/pro-mma-ffghter-booto-guylain-dies-bout-south-africa-article-1.1712659 160.79.125.18 (talk) 20:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Boxing vs. MMA

This statement, while an interesting bit of trivia, is a bit irrelevant to the subject at hand considering formal MMA has only been around for a relatively short time: "For professional boxing matches, the Manuel Velazquez Boxing Fatality Collection lists 923 deaths during the 118 year period of 1890-2007." Such a number would only be relevant if, say, MMA exceeded that number in its existence (obviously not the case). What we need is the number of boxing fatalities since 2001. That's where a valid comparison can be made. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 17:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Joao Carvalho death in Dublin Ireland recently.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/republic-of-ireland/portuguese-fighter-joao-carvalho-dies-after-dublin-fight-against-charlie-ward-34620350.html

http://www.rte.ie/sport/mma/2016/0412/781379-ufc/

http://www.independent.ie/sport/mma/sbg-coach-john-kavanagh-devastated-after-mma-fighter-left-in-critical-condition-34617762.html

A young Portuguese fighter has recently tragically died at a fight in Dublin. Should I just go ahead and add his name to the list?

Four or three?

It seems to me that Tyrone Mims's death is not actually evidentially linked to his fight. I mean, it's unlikely it's a coincidence, I don't deny that, but in terms of a causal link there just isn't enough evidence to establish one. 2.30.97.96 (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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