Talk:Farragut-class destroyer (1958)

Coontz class

Should Coontz class redirect to here? See USS_Luce. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mysterd429 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 19 December 2005.

Thats hard to say. Since all USN classes are named after the first memeber of that class and according to my sources the Farragut itself was launched 1st, [1] but was commissioned six months after the Coontz was commissioned [2]. So I'm not sure which class title these ships should hold, but I'm confident they are refering to the same vessels. I wonder what other's think should be done. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 05:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast reply. I really have no idea about the Navy, but noticed possible room for improvement.

Just to be redundantly clear, I noticed that Coontz class doesn't have a page, but the Farragut class destroyer (1958) defines the Farragut class as being being AKA Coontz class. The entry on the USS Luce (DDG-38) states that the Luce (it / she / whichever pronoun) is a Coontz class ship, but the entry has the Farragut Farragut class destroyer (1958) category. The USS_Coontz_(DDG-40) entry is listed as Farragut category, but the ship is not described as such in the entry.

Incidentally, I only noticed this because Bethlehem Steel Corporation wasn't a link on the USS Farragut's entry, so I decided to see what the other ships' pages said. I don't want to edit in a category I don't know much about, but if you think Beth Steel should be a link, I'll linkify it. Thanks! Don 19:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I have redirected Coontz class and Coontz class destroyer to Farragut class destroyer (1958). They may as well since they are refering to the same class of ships. I have also taken the time to update USS Luce (DDG-38) so that it now includes an updated table and it's history up until 1969. (which is about as far as the DANFS will take it.) Oh and that link you made to Bethlehem Steel Corporation is good. Thanks. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 21:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

US Navy ship classes are named for the first ship authorized by Congress, regardless of whether she is commissioned, delivered or even laid down first. Farragut (DLG-6) was authorized first, so she is the ship the class is named for. Iceberg3k 14:45, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

According to the 1970-71 edition of Jane's Fighting Ships DLG-6 USS Farragut thru DLG-8 were ordered from the Fore River Shipyard with two 5"/54 caliber Mark 42 guns forward, while DLG-9 USS Coontz thru DLG-11 were built in Navy shipyards with an RUR-5 ASROC launcher replacing the "B" gun. The Coontz-class designation occurred before the lower-numbered ships were converted to the ASROC configuration; and Farragut-class reflects completion of all ten in the latter configuration. Coontz was ordered on 18 November 1955 and was the first to be commissioned, while Farragut was ordered on 27 January 1956 and was commissioned five months after Coontz.Thewellman (talk) 07:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Frigates

I really didn't think that anyone would contest the change I made, changing the definition of the hull designation of DLG from "Frigate" to "Destroyer Leader", but here we are.

If you go to the U.S. Navy's website [3] and search for "DLG", you will find a series of articles in which DLG is either defined as "guided missile destroyer" or guided missile destroyer leader". There are only two pages that define DLG as "guided missile frigate" and one is a copy of the other.

In addition, no one I know that ever served aboard a DLG (while it was a DLG) would have called their ship a "frigate".

The only reference to them being Frigates in the Navy.mil website is on a handful of ship histories, but not all of them.

I don't know who called them "frigates" but the Navy doesn't (and didn't) and the sailors that served on them don't (and didn't.)

I also would like to call your attention to the USS Norfolk (DL-1), the USS Mitscher (DL-2), the USS John S. McCain (DL-3), the USS Willis A. Lee (DL-4), and the USS Wilkinson (DL-5). If a DL is a Destroyer Leader, why isn't a DLG a Guided Missile Destroyer Leader?

-TCav 01:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see centralized discussion at Talk:USS Fox (CG-33). TomTheHand 15:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I reported aboard USS Coontz (DLG-9) in 1965, and we called the DLGs frigates until they started talking about the redesignation to guided missile destroyers and cruisers in 1975 as I was taking the last links off my short-timer's chain of pop top beer can pull tabs. That was the year a programmable pocket calculator cost the percentage of my income that would buy a well-equipped desktop today. I wouldn't recommend weighting web search statistics to determine pre-web nomenclature. The 1955 NAVPERS Warship Identification Manual description of the DL MITSCHER Class included: These ships formerly classed as destroyer leaders are now classed as frigates with the DL designation. Thewellman (talk) 07:10, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

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