Talk:Falsetto/Archive 2

"Low falsetto?"

Is there a specific term that is used when singers deliberately access notes that are lower than the notes they usually sing? If the the term falsetto is used for this too, I'll probably do some research/add it to the article. --Evan Robidoux 20:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are trying to ask.--I'll bring the food 00:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a mention of a lower vocal register which women can use on the vocal range page. I think it's flagelio?? but there's no page for it. EDIT actually I just remembered vocal fry can reduce the pitch of your voice—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.200.164.177 (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Both the vocal fry and falsetto use the so-called "false vocal chords" to aid in production. At least, that is, if you want to do it without hurting yourself. (see previous disclaimer) -- trlkly 04:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Falsetto/Head Voice Clip

This clip is a nonsense. The only reason they sound different is because he's doing an "Ah" sound for the first and an "Oo" sound for the second. If he was really able to illustrate the difference he should be able to do it on the same vowel sound so you're comparing like with like. I vote to remove this clip. Comments? LemonLion 12:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

To be fair, it is far easier to vocalize head voice with an open mouth. Still, he should've at least picked vowels that were similar... -- trlkly 04:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I've found a video where Russell Oberlin demonstrates the difference between the two voices, which I've added to the external links. I'm not sure if I should add this to the main article or not, I'm going to leave it in the external links for now.

The best way to demonstrate falsetto vs. head voice is to show somebody sliding from chest all the way up to whistle without breaks. The head voice quality itself may not be distinguishable so much to the listener except for the way in which it connects to chest voice or loud tones. The falsetto voice can be demonstrated by trying to push more air through and then it gets really airy and not that much louder. I'm not sure if such demonstrations are available in the public domain, or only as part of proprietary vocal training programs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.244.178 (talk) 19:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Famous Falsetto Singers

Maybe a list could be added of famous artists who commonly employ the falsetto, for example, Axl Rose of Guns 'n Roses or the singer from AC/DC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sorenlarrington (talk • contribs) 08:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Lists inside an article like this are not a good idea, in my experience. They soon overwhelm it and attract "drive-by" completely unreferenced (and often wrong) additions, many of which are non-notable to boot. It ruins the credibility of an otherwise, well-written, well-referenced article. This is what happened in the baritone article, until I moved the list out to a separate article. If you are interested in something like that, you could start a separate list of non-classical singers who use falsetto. Then link to it in the "See Also" section of this article. But you must make sure that each singer in your list has its own inline citation to an independent, reliable source which states that the singer uses/used falsetto. There also has to be a requirement that any singer listed must have an existing Wikipedia article. Take a look at List of baritones in non-classical music for a model. A de-contextualized list of random unreferenced items soon attracts even more of them and often (quite rightly) gets deleted. Voceditenore (talk) 14:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Falsetto

The claim made in this article, that women sing in falsetto voice fraudulently cites the work by Vennard, William (1967) as supporting this claim. Later, a source cited (Glossary definition of falsetto at Virginia Tech's Web site)supports the claim that falsetto occurs only with males. This article also fails to stress the difference between speech pathology and musical definitions of terms such as "falsetto". When in reference to musical singing use musical definitions and when in reference to the science of speech use speech pathology definitions, but do not mix the two -- they are not the same. The redefinition of terms in modern science ignores the etymology, meaning and tradition of musical history. This article shows a willing or ignorant reluctance to admit that there is sexual dimorphism in Homo sapiens sapiens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.243.147 (talk) 20:38, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Is falsetto considered fake singing? Lets say i want to sing Aces High by Iron Maiden if i used falsetto to sing the very high pitched parts is that considered untalented? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.146.42 (talk) 21:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

In popular music, falsetto is just a special effect to get an airy sound on high notes, or as a crutch for beginners who haven't learned head voice.

The main problem with falsetto is that it doesn't connect to modal voice at high volumes. I.e., you can't slide from a low note to a falsetto note without a break unless you're singing very quietly.

The article on registration is wrong to claim that falsetto is always quieter than modal. Most pop singers can hold back chest or head voice to where it's quieter than falsetto. With falsetto you have to blow to make it louder (dries out the cords fast, ow!) and with modal you have to squeeze to make it quieter (hard to learn for most of us who instinctively pull up the larynx whenever they make any effort). But with training you can get a nice light sound over your whole range with full connection and ditch the falsetto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.244.178 (talk) 18:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Breathy?

Please can someone give a reference for the statement that falsetto is breathy. I spent many years listening to male altos who were not breathy when I sang in cathedral choirs. Muchado (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

They're not. Neither are male sopranists. See comment above about ditching the falsetto. The section here on "female falsetto" needs work, too. As defined here, falsetto is a technique rarely used by real singers. Could we avoid perpetrating misinformation about how it's used? Pkeets (talk) 05:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Rock'n'roll falsetto ?

In the "Use in singing" section, would it be appropriate to add to the list "in Rock (or Rock'n'roll) for dramatic effect (e.g. The Bee Gees) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman101 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

In rock or pop music, an obvious falsetto is used only for effect. Rock and popular music is full of singers, both male and female, who can transition from modal to soprano/countertenor without any kind of break. Check Robert Plant, Jim James, Mariah Carey, etc. etc. etc. Pkeets (talk) 05:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)