Talk:Fabio (footballer, born 1990)

Hidden away

Why is this article hidden away with no mention at Fábio da Silva nor at the disambiguation page to which that link takes you? Does it have to do with hiding away a re-creation of an article which was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fábio Pereira da Silva? Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

No - it has to do with nobody updating the disambiguation page. Have a look at DRV for the discussion you're looking for. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:43, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

For those interested, the link to DRV discussion is here. Tiamut^talk 15:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Isn't there a template for putting a box with the just-started deletion review notice on either the article page or the talk page, whichever is appropriate?

Now I'm really pissed off that there not only wasn't any mention of the deletion of this page here, but also that there was no mention whatsoever on either the article's page or the talk page of a deletion review which had apparently started 37 hours and 25 minutes (if I've calculated right) before I first posted to this talk page, after having looked into it for a while because of a recreation of deleted article notice on a redirect page.

I certainly think there should have been some mention of that deletion review here, long before I stumbled across it. Gene Nygaard (talk) 17:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

The chain of events surrounding this article is a bit messy, and there are definitely ways in which this has not been optimally handled. Phil Sandifer (talk) 17:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that the article was deleted at an AfD, then kept deleted at a DRV. The second DRV was closed as "speedy keep deleted", so Phil decided to recreate the article anyway and request that the DRV was re-opened. пﮟოьεԻ 57 18:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I requested the DRV be re-opened, was refused, so created a new version that established notability via WP:N, but while I was doing that, the DRV was re-opened after all. Phil Sandifer (talk) 18:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Removals

Obviously the most prominent item that I have removed is the "Playing style" section. I do not believe that this section is encyclopaedic in the slightest, especially as most of it is based on people's opinions and personal comments. Second, I have removed the {{DEFAULTSORT}} template. This is because the player is most commonly known as "Fábio", and therefore should be sorted by that name. Finally, since the comment about him returning to training on 1 December was completely unsourced, I have removed that too. – PeeJay 13:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I feel like the playing style section is based on the opinions of reliable sources, and thus encyclopedic. It is not as though Wikipedia editors have described it - we have Sir Alex Ferguson, Manchester United's academy scout, and a sports journalist for a large paper in that section. As the player's career develops and shifts the article's needs may shift as well, but for now, describing a player where some of the player's notability comes from the talk of his future potential, that section seems to me appropriate. Phil Sandifer (talk) 14:32, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Stop the deliberate missorting; in the first place, it is never proper to sort any article in Wikipedia under "Fábio ..." Go read Wikipedia:Categorization and its subpage on people, in the category sorting section. In the second place, the article itsels says he is known as "Fábio da Silva" and that is the proper way to sort him. It is only when people are unknown by their surname that they are sorted by their first name, and that clearly isn't the case here, by what is said in the article itself. Gene Nygaard (talk) 02:01, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course, this is actually an unnotable nobody, not really known under any name. Gene Nygaard (talk) 02:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the article does say that he is known as "Fábio da Silva", but he is most commonly known as "Fábio". We could DEFAULTSORT him as "Fabio" to avoid the problem with diacritics, but to sort him as "da Silva, Fabio Pereira" would just confuse anyone looking for him in a category. – PeeJay 16:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Totally confused

I'm not sure why I can't see links on this page to prior AfDs or DRVs.

I'm especially confused that I don't readily see what the status of this article is - there's no tag on the page itself.

So, what is its status? --Dweller (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Are we just waiting for someone to press the AfD button? I'll do it with pleasure. --Dweller (talk) 16:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Please do - there are some dubious goings on here. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

 Done Hopefully, this'll sort it. --Dweller (talk) 16:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

WP:ATHLETE

WP:ATHLETE

   * People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis.[9]
   * People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships.

The article of "Fábio Pereira da Silva" should be deleted or suspended because Fabio da Silva as not made his 1st team debut in a competitive match. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supergunner08 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

You don't say... – PeeJay 20:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

So, is someone going to do anything about it? Zhelja (talk) 03:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Clearly not, as the article already survived an AfD only a couple of weeks ago. – PeeJay 08:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

So, you're basically saying that anarchy has won in the end. There should be a much stricter control of articles concerning football clubs and players. For start, they should all be semi-protected, if not always, then at least during transfer windows. I mean, people simply add or delete players as they wish, or based on vague rumours, or do things like this with Fabio; the rules are clear, a player cannot have an article until he has played a pro match, but nooo. The worst thing is that the majority of people are ignorant of this rule, or the rule not to write the names of capped players in bold, or not to put recent transfers on club articles and so on. I am not doubting anyone's good intentions, but there are rules and they are there for a reason. Zhelja (talk) 18:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, if you look at the rules, specifically WP:BIO (which contains WP:ATHLETE) it says that articles can also satisfy notability via WP:N, which this article does. So no, it's not anarchy winning. Phil Sandifer (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

• He has now made his first appearance for the club. Would there not have been more work in deleting the article just to recreate it again now?? The only reason he wasn't played sooner was due to injury anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.59.171 (talk) 20:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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