Talk:FILA grappling

About the article

There are a few problems with this article as it stands.

One, the article is written by a contributor who has almost solely edited concerning the style of grappling newly sponsored by FILA, "Grappling".

Two, the article's description of grappling is lifted verbatim from the FILA official website (source 1), and obviously serves mostly as an advertisement for their fledgling foray into this established sport - going so far as to (currently, but I will address that) claim that the sport of "Grappling" was founded by FILA Wrestling! If it were very clear that the article was solely speaking about FILA's particular brand, that would be one thing - but it is only one of many grappling competitions, and it is far from the most prestigious or popular.

Three, there is already an article on grappling as a general term, which this page is somehow trying to cover while also speaking almost entirely about the FILA style.

Four, huge sections of the article are lifted wholesale from Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, such as the "Fighting" section which is a minor alteration of a copy+paste from the "Style of Fighting section in the Brazilian Jiu-jitsu article.

Considering this, it seems that this article should either be merged with the Grappling article and serve as a section there (there is already a section on FILA's grappling sport there which could be expanded), or re-written to discuss FILA's "Grappling" in the same manner as the Greco-Roman Wrestling page discusses only that particular sport, and have its title changed to reflect that it i. As it stands, I cannot see what the point of this article is. FlowWTG (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I think a merge is the best plan or this will end up as a Fork for a specific view, re-naming Grappling (FILA) to detail their rules set and remove the copy & paste bits (unless the edit summary mentions where they came from their it a potential attribution issue) & cross link to the main grappling article. --Nate^t/_c 10:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

The existing article on grappling is already about a martial art and is a generically used term. Some of the comments in this article are general wrestling comments and some are specific to the FILA rules, but both should be placed into the existing article on Grappling. Papaursa (talk) 00:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what the difference is between this and the "Ne Waza" article (Ne waza#Ground_grappling), either. If the intent is to speak specifically about the martial-art aspects of grappling, it should be merged with this section, otherwise, I agree with FlowWTF that it can be removed altogether. — cyberbisson (talk) 21:53, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

C&P'd sections from BJJ article

The article is still rife with direct copy & pastes from BJJ, sometimes with crude substitutions. If anyone would care to help re-write, it would be much appreciated. FlowWTG (talk) 08:18, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Grappling (FILA) → Grappling – Requesting move over existing redirect. Previous page has been moved to Grappling (martial arts), which is conventional naming. The (FILA) suffix is not a conventional way to disambiguate. The requested move will remedy this. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 19:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

• Strong oppose revert Grappling (martial arts) back to Grappling. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 23:03, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
• Strong oppose, also in favor of reverting Grappling (martial arts) back to Grappling. FlowWTG (talk) 23:13, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
• Note: per the request at WP:RM#Technical requests, I have moved Grappling (martial arts) back to Grappling. Jenks24 (talk) 01:09, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.