Talk:Ezras Torah Fund

NFCC issues

This discussion covers six images recently included in the article for Rabbis Klein, Epstein, Karlinsky, Levinson, Riff and Burack (a new public-domain image of Rabbi Bloch was added from my personal family collection - the previous one however was of a much better quality - doesn't seem like it was from a portrait but in actuality was from an old photo published in the Encyclopedia Judaica and should be redefined with NFCC criteria at some point). Each image has a similar non-free use rationale that covers the following NFCC guidelines that I have included below.

If you disagree with the rationales, please avoid violations of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arguments_to_avoid_in_image_deletion_discussions#.22It.27s_obvious.22 - if you feel that one or more of the guidelines is not met, then detail which ones so we can work together to improve the article.

Preface: My general goal here is to enhance the encyclopedic nature of the article by providing an array of thumbnail size images that can be used as a point of reference for each and every leader of Ezras Torah that is described below the images within the timeline of leaders. They are also arranged in time order to provide an added dimension of understanding of who led Ezras Torah throughout the years. Care was taken to use images from the time period each personality actually served in Ezras Torah and not at a younger or older age. Where possible, I provide a link to an existing Wikipedia article about each of the leaders in order that the reader gain more understanding about each personality listed.

No free equivalent: each image is of a long deceased person where obtaining a free substitute is highly unlikely. If you know of such a substitute then please suggest one.

Respect for commercial opportunities: The source for these images is either a long out of print book or a not-for-profit historical web site. They are of a lower resolution than the original so as to merely serve as a point of reference and in no way intended to compete with commercial uses of a copyright holder.

Minimal usage: only a single thumbnail sized image of each personality is presented in the article.

Previous publication: as stated above, the images have been published or publicly displayed outside of Wikipedia in long out-of-print books or not-for-profit web sites.

Encyclopedic content that meets Wikipedia standards: as stated above, presenting a basic image of each of the subjects of the article sheds additional understanding of the subject at hand re: what they looked like during the years they served in Ezras Torah.

Contextual significance: as stated above, presenting a basic image of each of the subjects in the article sheds understanding on the subject at hand; gives an added dimension and flavor to the article; is of historical importance especially in cases where it's the only known image of the subject during the time he served as a leader of Ezras Torah.

Specific sources of each image are included in each image page.

Msescott (talk) 08:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Nonfree images in general may not be used for illustrating lists of people, or presented in galleries. No images are needed to increase the reader's understanding of the minimal factual information about the individuals presented in the article. Please review WP:NFC, paying particular attention to the section on lists. This is simple, uncontroversial enforcement of the nonfree content policy. These images function primarily as navigational links, and that is also long-settled as an unacceptable use. Uncaptioned nonfree images in a gallery like this are completely unacceptable under NFC and NFCC. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 12:16, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Source for list of rabbis?

Is there any source for the impressive chart of rabbis affiliated with Ezras Torah and when they served? The chart has no source attached and the Ezras Torah website only mentions a couple of those rabbis. Shaked13 (talk) 04:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Much about the rabbis listed from Rabbi Israel Rosenberg through Rabbi Yeshaya Karlinsky has been written up in two articles appearing in the bi-annual Yeshurun (Torah journal - in Hebrew). In volume 20, a major set of articles was devoted to Rabbi Henkin and in volume 32 (as can be seen in the references section in this wikipedia article) an article was devoted to the early history of Ezras Torah.

In particular, here are some relevant sources:

- The starting dates of founding rabbis such as Rabbis Rosenberg, Klein, Eskolsky, Margolies can be found at: "Kol korei l'Ezras Torah", Der Morgen Journal, 24 Elul 5675 (Sep 3, 1915) p. 5 (Yiddish)

- Rabbi Baruch Epstein - evidence of his time of service in 1924 can be seen in:

---- Dos Idishe Licht, 24 Adar I, 5684 (Feb 29, 1924), p. 12 (Yiddish)

---- A letter (in Hebrew) to Rabbi Epstein as Menahel/director of Ezras Torah from Nov 6, 1924 can be found in the collection of the Central Relief Committee of the Yeshiva University Archives (270/3)

(images of these two items appear in the Yeshurun article of vol 32 on page 934)

- Rabbi Yeshaya Karlinsky as Secretary: see Sefer HaYovel of the Agudas HaRabbanim, p. 78, New York 1928 (Hebrew)

- Rabbi Henkin alternatively as Director and Secretary: see the Yeshurun article of vol 20 on page 289 and also vol 32 pp. 935, 936 (Hebrew)

(All of the above sources are also quoted in the article of Yeshurun vol. 32)

- Most of the dates pertaining to Rabbi Chaim Bloch through Rabbi Moshe Margolin were culled from various issues of HaPardes (in Hebrew) which can be found online at hebrewbooks.org

- The dates of the most recent rabbis starting from Rabbi Dovid Lifshitz through Rabbi Yisrael Gettinger can be found on the Ezras Torah web site.

Many of the end dates of the rabbis' terms of service coincided with the time of their deaths which can be more easily looked up.

If you wish to improve the article, feel free to edit and add this info. Msescott (talk) 07:19, 10 January 2023 (UTC)