Talk:Exercise Hell Tank

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Scout helicopters armed with SS.11 missiles were used in Hell Tank.

• ... that one British Army participant in 1967's Exercise Hell Tank, testing the use of helicopters against tanks, suggested the helicopters were 45-to-0 over the tanks? Source: 1st. the exact quote is "45-love"
  • Reviewed: Leonard K. Carson
  • Comment: Does that hook read right?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 19:03, 20 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Exercise Hell Tank; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• A new QPQ is required as the one listed was used for Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Tychon_(missile) Seddon ^talk 03:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Just a comment but I don't think linking helicopters and tanks is necessary here given they're common knowledge. Besides, ideally we'd want readers to learn about the tank and too many links may distract. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: If the image is to be used, it needs a better caption to tie it to whatever hook is used. New QPQ still needed. New hook options needed. I've suggested some potential directions. Seddon ^talk 02:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Per Seddon's review I've struck the currently provided QPQ, so a new one needs to be provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry this one slipped off my radar. So...

• ATL1 ... that a British Army participant in 1967's Exercise Hell Tank, testing the use of missile-firing helicopters, suggested the helicopters killed 45 tanks with no losses when the tanks attempted an offensive breakout?

@Narutolovehinata5: Also touched up the caption. I believe the image is from the phase 1 hell tank exercise (the E marking), but have not found anything that states that directly. QPQ is Empire of the Sultans. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Pinging reviewer Seddon. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

All looking good. ALT 1 feels much clearer. QPQ done. Seddon ^talk 00:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC}

I really am sorry to approve this and then immediately open the nomination again. With the benefit of hindsight, this is a simple "person does their job" hook. Is there anything more interesting?--Launchballer 03:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, @Launchballer: I noticed this re-opening when I was reviewing the nom that Seddon used this as a QPQ for. I think that hook should be approved as highly interesting. That a British Army soldier publicly appraised helicopters–fairly frail and nascent things at the time–as overwhelmingly defeating heavily armored and armed tanks is a significant thing. This is not so much "man does job" as "event suggests paradigm shift". ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. (My comment may have been coloured by AirshipJungleman29 describing this hook as man does job. I'll reapprove it.--Launchballer 19:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

This hook was pulled per a conversation on WT:DYK. Please address those concerns before it is approved again. Z1720 (talk) 16:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

As there has been consensus at WT:DYK to halt the practice of unlimited workshopping of old nominations, and this is well over the two-month mark, I'm marking this nomination as rejected. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)