Talk:Excuse Me Mr.

Infobox

@Carbrera: Is the release a commercial single or promo? I don't know why it's considered a CD single when a commercial single release does not exist. --George Ho (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

@George Ho: Actually, a commercial single release does exist under catalog ID# 6086. It seems that its release was quite limited and perhaps only in Japan. In my educated opinion, I don't think it would have charted on New Zealand's main chart had a commercial release not been made. Thanks for your concerns, Carbrera (talk) 03:23, 14 November 2016 (UTC).

If you mean this release, the webpage says that the front cover of the Japanese release uses "Sunday Morning", which is the second track of the release. In other words, "Excuse Me Mr." was never marketed as the main single. By the way, why removing the caption? The image says "Promotional use only. Not for sale." George Ho (talk) 04:42, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Excuse Me Mr./GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 07:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Will start on this today, most likely. --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• August 21, 1996 should be 21 August 1996 since this is an English article

Yes, but this article is written in American English in which MMMM DD, YYYY is officially used per WP:MOS

That is true, but I would recommend changing it to English instead since that is the bands' nationality --Kyle Peake (talk) 04:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Kyle Peake – No Doubt is an American band, not an English one. Carbrera (talk) 18:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC).

Carbrera Sorry I must have misread something; all date formats etc should be American English. --Kyle Peake (talk) 18:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• Bullet points are supposed to be used instead of hlists

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• Link the music video on YouTube in the infobox

Is this required instead of under "External links"?

Yes --Kyle Peake (talk) 04:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• Identify them as "American rock band" in the lead's first sentence

I think it would be incorrect to label the band as "rock" as there is much discussion regarding why type of band No Doubt is. Others have called No Doubt a "ska band" and an "alternative" one. Because of this, I think just to leave it as is would be best.

• "It was written by" → "The song was written by"

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• "and produced by" → "while produced by"

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• "The song was released as the fourth single from Tragic Kingdom" → "It was released on CD as the fourth single from the album"

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• "on August 21, 1996" → "on 21 August 1996"

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• ""Excuse Me Mr." has also been included on their" → "The song has also been included on the band's"

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• "Musically, "Excuse Me Mr." is a rock-influenced ska song" → "Musically, the former is a rock-influenced ska track" as rock wikilink should be in the first sentence instead

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• "also created but never released" → "also created, but never released"

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• "was selected as one of the best tracks on Tragic Kingdom, with critics labelling it as a successful breakup song." → "received positive reviews from music critics and was often selected by them as one of the best tracks on Tragic Kingdom, with critics labelling it as a successful breakup track." as a proper overview of the reception is needed

Adjusted; I reworded this differently so "critics" would not be used in the same sentence twice too.

• Remove wikilink to Record chart

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• "and Canada and peaking at" → "and Canada, and peaking at"

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• Name the chart of New Zealand in the lead

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• "directed the music video for “Excuse Me Mr.” during" → "directed the accompanying music video in"

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• "It features two different storylines: the first shows" → "The visual features two different storylines, with the first showing"

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• "crowded with paparazzi while the second" → "crowded with paparazzi, while the second storyline"

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• "No Doubt has performed "Excuse Me Mr." at" → "No Doubt have performed the song for"

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• "while serving as the guest musical act on Saturday Night Live" → "on Saturday Night Live while serving as the guest musical act" since otherwise it sounds like they were guests on the latter tour

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• "and at their" → "and at the band's"

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Background and release

• "while their producer" → "while the song's producer"

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• "and produced by" → "while produced by"

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• Remove wikilinks to No Doubt and Tragic Kingdom

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• Reword the second sentence to mentioning the exact release date of the album, and what position the track was released from on it; something like this.

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• "which was the group's first record" → "which was the band's first record"

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• "the band members" → "the members of No Doubt"

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• "that helped popularize No Doubt" → "that helped popularize the band"

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• "stated that this allowed" → "stated that it allowed"

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• "but the band members" → "but the members"

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• "with their then-producer, Wilder, who wanted the group" → "with their then-producer Wilder, who wanted the band"

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• Wikilink liner notes to itself

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• "No Doubt told" → "The band told"

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• "the album's eventual second single" → "the latter's eventual second single"

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• "The song was first released on August 21, 1996" → "The song was first released as a CD single on 21 August 1996"

I think this would be a misleading statement as the CD singles were strictly promotional.

Mention it as being promotional at this point, then. --Kyle Peake (talk) 04:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• Remove the following sentence's wikilink to CD single

My comment directly above refers to this suggestion as well.

• Target promotional CD singles to Promotional recording

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• "in that country" → "across that country"

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• "promotional CD single was also made using the same cover art from" → "promo CD single was also made using the same cover art as"

Adjusted; although I do not think abbreviating "promotional" is necessary. The CD release itself uses the world "promotional", not "promo", too.

• "No Doubt's "Sunday Morning" release" → "No Doubt's "Sunday Morning" (1997)"

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Composition and lyrics

• "The A.V. Club' Partridge described the single as a rock-influenced track" → "Partridge described the track as a rock-influenced song"

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• "that helped form No Doubt" → "which helped form the band"

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• "and then used "Excuse Me Mr." as an example" → "and cited "Excuse Me Mr." as an example"

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• "album review of Tragic Kingdom that "Excuse Me Mr." is" → "review of the album that the track is"

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• Remove target to Tempo on beats per minute

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• "The key of the song is in F major with Stefani's" → "The key of the song is set in F major, with Gwen Stefani's"

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• "each of the song's two verses" → "each of the two verses"

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• "The song's message is the opposite of" → "The message is the opposite of that conveyed within"

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• "Stefani sings with an anxious tone" → "Stefani sings in an anxious tone"

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• Wikilink Circus music to itself

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• "suggest that they are" → "suggest No Doubt are"

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• Remove target to Bridge (music) on middle eight

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• ": "It's almost" → ", "It's almost"

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• Wikilink Noisey to itself as we do that for sub-section redirects

There is no article for Noisey though.

See Wikipedia:Redirect#Self-redirects and I have made this minor fix for you

• "whereas Browne from Entertainment Weekly" → "while Browne from"

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• "that the subject of the song's matter" → "that the subject matter of the song"

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Reception

• "Several critics described "Excuse Me Mr." as one of the highlights on Tragic Kingdom." → ""Excuse Me Mr." was met with positive reviews from music critics, with several describing it as one of the highlights on Tragic Kingdom."

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• Remove wikilink on The A.V. Club

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• "reanalyzed Tragic Kingdom" → "reanalyzed it"

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• "noted that all three of them" → "noted that all three of the songs"

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• "as a banger that" → "as a "banger" that"

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• "over twenty years ago; she also selected it" → "over 20 years ago; she also selected the track"

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• "With a similar opinion," → "Expressing a similar opinion,"

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• Target Observer to The New York Observer

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• "called the single" → "called it"

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• "she also classified it as" → "she also classified the track as"

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• "MTV News's Diblasi was impressed by" → "Diblasi was impressed by"

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• "on the parent album" → "on the album" since we already know what album you are referencing

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• "due to its ability" → "because of its ability"

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• "In the United States" → "In the US"

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• "but it did reach the" → "though did reach the"

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• "where it debuted at" → "with the track debuting at"

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• "27; similarly, it became" → "27. Similarly, it became" since the sentence currently needs splitting

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• "During its ninth week within the rankings, it reached" → "During its 9th week within the rankings, the track reached" as MOS:NUM suggests using the same numbering for comparative values like this to 12

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• "on March 31, 1997" → "on 31 March 1997"

We discussed this above.

• "in United States and Canada" → "in the United States and Canada"

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• "On May 25, 1997," → "On 25 May 1997,"

We also discussed this above.

• Name the New Zealand chart properly with the appropriate wikilink/target

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• "Four weeks later it reached its peak at number 11, becoming the fourth top 40" → "The track ultimately peaked at number 11, becoming the 4th top 40"

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• "from the parent album" → "from the album"

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Music video

• Mention the release date in the first sentence

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• "It serves as the fourth" → "It served as the fourth"

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• "Filming for the video was" → "Filming for the visual had been" to avoid repetitive wording

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• "The video opens with No Doubt" → "The video opens with the band"

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• "other members of the band, Stefani" → "other members, Stefani"

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• "resorting to pushing the other members" → "with her resorting to pushing them"

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• "dance provocatively as the camera" → "dance provocatively, as the camera"

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• "Before the song's second verse" → "Before the song's second verse begins"

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• "the hopes that nearby" → "the hopes that nearby people" to specify they are all nearby

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• "fail to do so, so Stefani" → "fail to do so and Stefani"

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• "as a group of paparazzi" → "while a group of paparazzi"

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• "in front of the photographers" → "in front of the paparazzi"

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• "The video was selected for" → "The clip was selected for"

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• "within the top ten on the" → "within the top 10 on the"

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• "on No Doubt's compilation" → "on No Doubt's compilation DVD"

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• Target CD to Compact disc on the first mention in this section since all of other mentions of "CD" have been appropriate for different targets

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Live performances

• "as the second song of" → "as the second song on"

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• "at the July 1, 1997 show" → "at their 1 July 1997 show"

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• "released in No Doubt's first live album" → "released on the band's first live album"

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• "On the December 7, 1996" → "On the 7 December 1996"

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• Change Saturday Night Live to Saturday Night Live (SNL) with the same target, though

I don't think its necessary to group its colloquial name in with this. I don't refer back to the show again.

• "their appearance, they performed both their previous single" → "their appearances, they both performed their previous single,"

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• "and "Excuse Me Mr."." → "and "Excuse Me Mr.", respectively."

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• "The song was performed during" → "The song was performed for"

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• "A majority of the songs" → "A majority of the tracks"

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• "but when No Doubt returned with songs" → "but when the band returned with tracks"

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• "like "Excuse Me Mr." and "Happy Now?"," → "like the song and "Happy Now?","

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• Wikilink Greg Kot to himself

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• "the performance and Kot compared" → "the performance, and Kot compared"

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• "For the 2002" → "For No Doubt's 2002"

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• ""Excuse Me Mr." was performed during" → "the song was performed during"

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• "in between singing" → "in between singing"

What did you want me to change here?

Sorry, this was a typo on my part but I found the missing word and added it --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

• "Their performance of" → "The band's performance of"

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• "at the November 22–23 and 29, 2002" → "for the 22–23 and 29 November 2002"

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• "on the group's second live album" → "on their second live album"

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• "their first official shows since 2004" → "their first official show since 2004"

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• Remove wikilink on Rolling Stone

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• Merge the third para with the second one

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• "during the first day" → "during the beginning day"

Adjusted – I added the information between "During" and "English Beat" to this paragraph.

Track listing

• Retitle to Track listings

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• Sure these shouldn't be laid out in the same manner as "Amar pelos dois", for example?

In my experience, I've seen both examples. Typically I see the example you provided where there are more releases than just a few. GA articles like Just a Girl and Spiderwebs use what you stated, whereas others like Make Me Like You and Bitch I'm Madonna use the current one I have displayed. Carbrera (talk) 19:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Credits and personnel

• Please see [1] and re-write everything accordingly.

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• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between credits and personnel.

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Charts

• Good

References

• Check that all of these have been archived using the tool

Done

• Use English date formatting for all the refs

Done in American English

• Copyvio score looks really good at 18.0%!

Sounds good.

• Wikilink The A.V. Club to itself on ref 3

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• Target Complex to Complex Networks (company) on ref 4

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• Target Interscope to Interscope Records on ref 5

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• Remove "on Amazon Music" from ref 6's title and target Amazon.com to Amazon (company)

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• Target Trauma to Trauma Records on ref 8

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• Wikilink Noisey to itself on ref 14

I mention something about this above in a previous section.

• Target Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on ref 15

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• Remove wikilink to The A.V. Club on ref 18 per WP:OVERLINK

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• Target Observer to The New York Observer on ref 19

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• Cite RPM as work/website instead on ref 21, with the wikilink to RPM (magazine) and delete the Library and Archives Canada publisher

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• Remove wikilink on RPM for ref 22, plus delete the publisher

This one is automatically generated through Template:Single chart

Oh, my bad --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

• Remove wikilink on Billboard for ref 25, plus delete the publisher

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• Ditto for the publisher on refs 27 and 28

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• Cite AllMusic as publisher instead on ref 31 with the wikilink

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• Change ref 33 to citing NBC as the publisher, while remove Saturday Night Live parameter

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• Change AllMusic to publisher on ref 35

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External links

• Remove YouTube from this section

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Final comments and verdict

•  On hold for a week until the issues arisen are fixed. --Kyle Peake (talk) 10:00, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Kyle Peake – could I have an extra day or two to address this review? I've been a bit busy in my personal life and it would sure be appreciated. Carbrera (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2020 (UTC).

Carbrera Yeah I am willing to allow it not 100% responded if things have obstructed you. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Kyle Peake – Thanks for your cooperation. I have recently conpleted addressing your comments and I have left numerous responses for you above. Let me know if there is anything else I can do, Carbrera (talk) 03:42, 11 June 2020 (UTC).

Did some copyediting towards the end but will now give this a ✓ Pass! --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:58, 11 June 2020 (UTC)