Talk:Evocation

Merge proposal

Basically, the conjuration and evocation articles describe the same thing so they should be merged. The identity of subjects may be insufficiently apparent because both articles are currently very messy, but have a look and I think you'll agree.

Even if we salvage the good bits from either and drop the rest, it needs a lot more work, especially sources. Terminology is a huge problem I expect, because the various traditions have very different words for things and don't always mean quite the same thing: for example, in western style evocation, it is expected a spirit will manifest outside the practitioner, and when it manifests inside, that is invocation and a different thing. Denial (talk) 18:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

If A merger must be made so be it, however conjuration is part of the Evocation but it is not the same as evocation. Conjuration is the verbal command given to the entety one is working with to come forth even before we enter the Sephiroth of the being to gide it back to the physical plane. - German —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.46.149.5 (talk) 01:24, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

It's probably going to confuse a lot of readers if you describe this in Qabalistic terminology (which is also foreign to most of the traditional works on evocation). But yes, the conjuration is technically just one element of evocation, although in more loose usage "conjuring up a demon" is pretty much the same as "evoking a demon". Fuzzypeg★ 21:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

strongly AGREE, but it will need great work to integrate the two articles..
and what are other forms of Evocation other that Conjuration? —-— .:Seth_Nimbosa:. (talk • contribs) 11:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup

I marked this article for cleanup. The content needs to be expanded, formatted and structured for better quality. As of right now, I'd say our to-do list is to identify a structure for the article, then start moving the content and expanding on it.

For starters, let's get some structure. Evocation... in different magical traditions, in literature, etc. Appropriate links to other pages on magic are required as well. Finally, NPOV requires that we don't necessarily take as given a particular opinion about the reality of magic or its morality as the current article seems to take as given.

I know little or nothing about this subject, but I know that it does require attention from someone with some domain knowledge.

Wellspring 00:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I did most of the current expansion on the page, which did amount to improvement over the stub, I think. Further expansion into an outline as you suggest would be cool. I may have time for that later in the summer.

I wrote it from the POV of direct description of what the tradition says about itself. I will say that it's heavily from the european occult tradition, but that's the origin of the term. One could identify similar practices in other cultures, but 'evocation' is a term from the euro tradition. My descriptions of the focus and intent of the most well-known traditional methods are entirely middle of the road - would it be useful to include a section in the outline about - I dunno - 'critical' discussion of evocation, such as the opinions of churches and materialists? IanCorrigan 03:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Most religion/magic articles currently make do without mentioning the opinions of holders of competing worldviews. More sources would be more useful. I only have German language ones and other encyclopedias, so although I'm optimistic about the factual accuracy of the article, I can't name more sources besides the single one I just added, which doesn't cover most of the claims made in the article. Denial 00:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Shub

Anyone know how to evoke shub niggurath? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.36.46 (talk) 09:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC) In other words it must not be practice by anyone who is not capable or know the consicuence —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.185.181 (talk) 09:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Conjuration (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 19:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)