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The following is unsourced and over-emotive in phrasing etc. I'm assuming that it was not present when the article got GA status. Can it be fixed?

At the time of Perón's imprisonment, Eva was still merely an actress. She had no political clout with the various labor unions that supported Perón, and it is claimed that she was not well-liked within Perón's inner circle, nor was she liked by many within the film and radio business at this point. When Juan Perón was imprisoned, Eva Duarte was suddenly disenfranchised. In reality, the massive rally that freed Perón from prison was organized by the various unions, such as General Labor Confederation, or CGT as they came to be known. To this day, the date of 17 October is something of a holiday for the Justicialist Party in Argentina (celebrated as Día de la Lealtad, or "Loyalty Day"). What would follow was shocking and nearly unheard of. The well connected and politically rising star, Juan Peron, actually married Eva. Despite Eva's childhood illegitimacy, and having an uncertain reputation, Peron was in love with Eva, and her loyal devotion to him even while he had been under arrest touched him deeply, and so he married her, providing a respectability she had never known. Eva and Juan were married discreetly in a civil ceremony in Junín on 18 October 1945 and in a church wedding on 9 December 1945.

Many of the adjectives need to go, as does much of the commentary. The grammar is wrong in places and statements such as "it is claimed" are simply not acceptable without a source. It is pointless me fiddling with it unless there is a source to work off. - Sitush (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I was the primary editor at the time that the GA status was granted, and, no, this isn't how it appeared at the time the status was granted. Such is Wikipedia; anyone can edit it. This section is now a mess. However, with regard to it being "emotive," that's inevitable given that she is one of the most emotional figures in Latin American history. She's kind of a Latin American version of Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana, and Mother Teresa, rolled into one. If that sounds confusing and unlikely, well, welcome to the world of Evita! (Seriously. Some people have claimed that she is such an emotional and mythologized figure that it is impossible to be objective about her or to know her true story.) Andrew Parodi (talk) 11:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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Requested move 17 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:42, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Fascism

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The section on "Allegations of fascism" is important. However it falls short of the required encyclopaedic standard. Allegations that she was a fascist are quoted, but no objective academic or historical analysis given. It seems to me that she was a fascist, as her husband and party were fascist. There wasn't much difference politically between the Peron's and Mussolini, or Franco.101.98.74.13 (talk) 18:08, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, the analysis falls far short of an encyclopædic standard. The section has a certain amount to say about antisemitism, but this isn't an essential feature of fascism - it's what set the nazis apart from their fellow fascists. None of what's said of the accusations of fascism appears to indicate their accusers thought them antisemitic, so focussing on that as their defense is misguided. Mussolini initially treated Italy's Jews no worse than the rest of Italy's people, only turning against them when he found himself dependent on his nazi ally. It is his movement that historically defines fascism (both by being first and by inventing the name), with the central theme of strength through unity and "if you're not with us you're against us". Any analysis of whether the Perons were fascists needs to address the ideological and organisational kinship, if any, between their regime and the (other) fascist regimes, focussing on what these had in common, not on the one feature of naziism that most glaringly set it apart from other flavours of fascism. The final sentence of the section briefly manages to mention that Peronism wasn't totalitarian, which is far more relevant than the more extensive treatment of antisemitism. It remains that there is no discussion of their ideology or of whether they regarded their political opponents as a "loyal opposition" or as traitors to be stamped out. Perhaps the academic literature on the subject is equally bereft. Even if it is, the present section gives a disproportionate amount of space to their (more or less irrelevant) lack of antisemitism. 84.215.9.172 (talk) 18:06, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

One sentence reads, "With nearly a third of Argentina's population of Spanish descent, it seemed natural for Argentina to have diplomatic relations with Spain." "Seemed natural" to whom? Could the authors please specify and footnote their source? ~ Peter S. Scholtes

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