Talk:European Scout Region (World Organization of the Scout Movement)

Scouts of the European Coal and Steel Community

Can anyone provide information on this organization? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Largoplazo

I will continue to revert edits by this editor, as they are a WP:POINT violation, especially his putting Antarctica on this page. If he continues, I will seek an admin. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Go seek an admin. You appear to be under the impression that (a) there is ownership of articles in Wikipedia and that people have to pass muster with you to make legitimate edits, (b) that you can ignore the reasons given to you for changes to "your" articles, (c) that you can call a "point of view" violation on someone because he got rid of YOUR non-encyclopedic, citation-free speculation ("maybe", "likely") that reflect YOUR point of view.—Largo Plazo (talk) 18:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm an admin. Do either of you have a citation for why Antarctica belongs on the European page vice some other page? If you can't find a reliable source that says this, then Antarctica would logically go in some generic Scouting article on this topic or on the South America page (closest physical significant land mass). — Rlevse • Talk • 20:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

No, it's just his ill behavior and trying to push a WP:POINT. Antarctica never was in this article until largoplazo put it there. He needs to move on, but he's determined to keep coming back and vandalizing this page. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I concede the Antarctica bit was making a point, but removing idle and pointless speculation that violates WP:OR is not vandalism, nor is weeding out material unrelated to the topic. (Hint: the issue by a country of stamps related to Scouting is not information about Scouting in that country.) —Largo Plazo (talk) 04:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that guy. This editor created Antarctic wineries with an edit summary saying he would ask for it to be deleted in a couple of days. It was speedied. He clearly has a record of point making, for which he has been warned on his talkpage, and has a thing about Antartica. I would definitely count using Wikipedia as one's own personal soapbox as vandalism. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Scouting_in_Vatican_City

See this user is still beating that horse after 2 1/2 years. Reverting as a violation of WP:POINT. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 20:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Stay off my talkpage, that's what this is for, pointy. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 21:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I am applying Wikipedia policies and guidelines exactly as I and hundreds of editors do every day, after discovering that this inappropriate material is still on the page after all this time. Unless you can explain why my reasons don't apply, kindly do not restore material that does not meet Wikipedia guidelines, or else you are making a point.

The remark about the Pope is not about the topic. WP:COATRACK applies.

The speculation is not verifiable and has absolutely no support from reliable sources despite the fact that, as you noted, there have been two and a half years to supply such support. The citation that had been given is not a reliable source. It was someone else's idle, unfounded speculation. The presence of this text contravenes the most fundamental principles behind what articles on Wikipedia are supposed to contain. There is no reason or justification for having this non-information in the article. Its deletion is a matter of the most mundane, routine editing, and I don't understand what the basis is for your vociferous, belligerent objection to it. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Your edits anywhere near this topic are suspect, as you initially vandalized Wikipedia (remember Antarctic wineries? We do) to force your point. Anything you do here is tainted by that, hence the basis for my objection. Were it any user with cleaner hands, I would sit down and discuss it. At this point I am bringing in the 3O folks. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

That was a long time ago, when I was new to editing Wikipedia. I am now looking at the situation in the context of all the experience I've gained and I can see that this material is some of the most obvious fodder for deletion imaginable. And I've come to understand that for you, WP:POINT is not a term that applies as it genuinely did to my creation of that winery article. You are treating it as a weapon to use against the simple fact that I disagree with you, in defense of material that you want to retain here for no apparent reason but which does not belong here. You are using WP:POINT to deflect from the legitimate issues that I've raised and for which you have no relevant counterargument. Kindly address the text in question in terms of WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:CRYSTAL (as in, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball we can use to guess what will happen if some day, far into the future, some child actually does live in the Vatican and wants to participate in Scouting"). And put that WP:POINT away before you hurt yourself. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

And then, to say that you'd discuss these same issues if it were someone else, but not with me? I'm sorry, but who made you the gatekeeper, who gets to choose which people get to make any particular change to this article. Are you familiar with WP:OWNER? I'm sorry, but you do have to address the issues I raised if you wish to justify the continued inclusion of the text that I removed. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

First— you two need to cool off and stop reverting. This appears to be smething rather trivial to be edit warring over.

Now, if I understand correctly, this is about the statement that Vatican youth can join local Scouting groups outside the Vatican. http://www.troop97.net is probably not a reliable source— it does not show any references on how it collect the lists of organizations. Frankly, I don't see the value of the inclusion of the statement. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 22:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Even if it were considered a reliable source of the information it contains, about the Vatican it manifestly contains no information. It says, "No information that I can find. There are likely few children among the ~900 people who live in Vatican City. Any who live there presumably would join a Scout or Guide unit in nearby Rome." In other words, regardless of how reliable the assertions made on the page might be, this isn't an assertion, it's one man's guess, identified as such." It might be a good guess. I might be inclined to agree, "Yeah, I'd suppose as much myself." But that doesn't qualify it for inclusion in an encyclopedia article, and that's all the more true given that the circumstance appears unlikely ever to occur.

The other piece of text in contention was the one about the Pope receiving an honor from non-Vatican scouts. As a point of comparison, if President Obama were to have been given an honor by Korean scouts when he was in South Korea, I would expect that to be mentioned, if anywhere, in the article on Korean scouting, not the article on scouting in the U.S. —Largo Plazo (talk) 22:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request ( Disagreement about inclusion of material on Vatican-peripheral Scouting. 21:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC) ):

I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on European Scout Region (World Organization of the Scout Movement) and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.

At present, there is no reference supporting the section. Therefore the content of that section fails verifiability. A user would be within the scope of the policy to remove said content. If one or more verifiable reliable source reference supporting the content of the section is found at a later date and time, the content can be readded with proper citation formating.—RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Wrapping up the Vatican section

At the moment, the Vatican text reads, "As far as is known, there has never been a Scouting organization in Vatican City", and I've placed a {{fact}} tag on this. Either there has been Scouting in the Vatican at some time, or there has never been. Which of these is true is knowable, and certainly known to someone in the world, or at least determinable from records. The "as far as is known" part is evasive and without value. So I recommend selecting between one of two treatments:

• Remove the "as far as is known" part, leaving the sentence as the bold but unsubstantiated assertion, "There has never been a Scouting organization in Vatican City" and leaving the {{fact}} tag until someone either provides a source or rewrites the sentence or removes the section.
• Replace the whole sentence with "There is currently no Scouting organization in Vatican City", which is verifiable from a glance at the WOSM roster, and accept that Wikipedia has no pressing need to make any representations regarding the larger question of whether Scouting has ever existed in the Vatican.

I think the latter is the more solid course to take. Thoughts? —Largo Plazo (talk) 23:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit war?

I won't enter into the current edit war, but I will just point out that there is a Rupert Schildboeck who works at the European scout office.

Why don't you all discuss here the changes?

Also, all of you, please don't assume everyone is aware of all the issues.

For example, I suggest that everyone read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia), and especially the paragraph Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia)#International organizations.

Please, everyone, explain why you think your version is better, and do it in more than a one-liner!

Yours in Scouting Lou Crazy

--Lou Crazy (talk) 14:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

European Scout Region (World Organization of the Scout Movement)

Dear Kintetsubuffalo, I am writing to you as an admin of the wiki page: European_Scout_Region_(World_Organization_of_the_Scout_Movement).

Reading this page previously as member of the Scout Association which is part of the WOSM European Scout Region and now for 6 years as employee of the World Scout Bureau (brunch office of the World Organization of the Scout Movement) I have realised that some information on this page is wrong and therefore might be misleading.

I have asked my colleague to update page but you have delete his changes. Therefore I have decided to write to you and let you know what is wrong and to direct you to some references so you can check some of our claims.

Hope you will understand this in best way.

So what is wrong?

I did in fact understand this in the best way, which is why I posted your letter here after removing it from my talkpage. Even experts in a subject must work with others when writing or substantially rewriting articles. Removing large sections of text and overwriting files without explanation and proper sourcing is not the Wikipedia way. I was trying to get your colleague to make the changes gradually so that the community could be involved in turning the information from conflict-of-interest to something that shows the situation on the ground.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:46, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

LOGO

Regions of WOSM not use their logos anymore, instead they use WOSM brand logo.

This can be also found in our Brand Manual —Matanackovic

The only positive source for the change of logo is the WOSM Brand Manual mentioned above.

I could not find any usage of the former logo on the websites of the ESR:

• The regional subpage on WOSM's website uses the new brand: http://scout.org/en/around_the_world/europe.
• http://www.europak-online.net/ shows the new logo of WOSM alongside with the regional logo of WAGGGS and the logo of the European cooperation in Scouting and Guiding.
• http://rovernet.eu/agora2012/ shows the new logo
• etc. --jergen (talk) 16:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this referring to the EU flag with the yellow e? If so, that is the emblem of the Council of Europe. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

No, it's referring to [1]. There is currently no special logo of the ESR - or for any other region of WOSM. The logo shown in the article (File:European Scout Region (World Organization of the Scout Movement).png) is outdated. --jergen (talk) 08:50, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Jergen's statement "Should be changed, the former one should be deleted, since I can't see any encyclopedical use of it." is misleading-we don't delete images simply because a single user doesn't see value in it or because it has been superseded. If the move toward corporate generic branding can be verified through secondary sources, then a separate file should be created for it, and the older one moved into the text with a caption explaining that it was the previous emblem, the dates it was used if known, and the meaning of the symbolism.

As to the move toward corporate generic branding, which Sudan, New Zealand and South Africa have taken on, however policies like that come and go-even within WOSM. Scouts like to wear distinctive insignia that show where they are from. The move toward corporate generic branding is policy for the time being, let's see if it stays that way before we make any grand pronouncements on what should be done.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:40, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

This logo just makes it more difficult. why not change it to the WOSM logo and that's it? --Dor Posner (talk) 14:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Because it's generic and does not signify Europe as stated above.Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

So- the old logo is prettier than the current logo? --  Gadget850 ^talk 13:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Members

"The European Scout Region comprises 41 National Scout Organizations that are members of the World Organization of the Scout Movement, and services Scouting in Western and Central Europe, excluding the former Soviet Republics of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, Russia, and Ukraine, but inclusive of Cyprus (technically not part of Europe) and Turkey (which spans across two continents), for cultural reasons, and Israel for political ones."

- Stating that ESR services Scouting in Western and Central Europe is deeply wrong, since there is also South East Europe as well as North Europe, etc...NSOs and NSAs (National Scout Organisations/Associations) of countries of as you say "former Soviet Republics" are not part of European Scout Region and that has nothing to do with politics, this countries are part of Eurasia Scout Region and in separate region due to specific attention they need because of at first place the fact that Scouting was forbidden for some time durring the age when they were former SSSR republics.

Cyprus is geographically and any other aspect in Europe! That is fact that every kid in Europe learn from Geography mostly even in elementary school...therefore I assume that I don't need to prove this? Also, Turkey is partially in Europe and therefore not from cultural reasons as it states there.

This statement is very wrong: "...Israel for political ones" and sound as someone opinion...but Wikipedia should not be place for opinions as such. —Matanackovic

See Europe, File:Europe subregion map UN geoschme.svg and File:Europe subregion map world factbook.svg.

It's only parts of Eastern Europe that aren't adminstered by the ESR. The current focus on Western and Central Europe is wrong.

Cyprus, Israel and Turkey needs further discussion. I'd like to get some input on this from Mihajlo oder Rupert. I think, we have to go back to the moment, when the regions were created. --jergen (talk) 16:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

When I wrote that section, I was coming from my own training, which in America divides Europe into two or three sections only. Scandinavia from the American view is Western Europe, meaning not one of the former Warsaw Pact nations. The Balkans likewise are counted as Central Europe, the kind of grey area in the middle and so on. I realize that definitions change and that different education systems teach differently. I invite a rewrite of the truly European geography, however:

• • The countries of UN Regional Code 145, Western Asia include Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Cyprus, Georgia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, the Palestinian Territories, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Yemen (bolding mine). What the United Nations says trumps what you learned in elementary school.
  • Cyprus is geographically in Asia, and before the partition was culturally 80% European. Had enosis occurred with Greece, there would be no question that Cyprus is Europe, at present it is a grey area like Greenland, geographically elsewhere but culturally tied to Europe.
  • If Turkey was indisputably European, it would have no problem joining the EU, despite objections from others. It is in fact 90% in Asia, and a much different culture than you find in Lisbon or Edinburgh or Warsaw. I am 12.5% of French heritage but I don't call myself French. Europe needs to get its definition of who is European straight before you start making statements like the above.
  • Israel is nowhere close to Europe, Judaism is a Western Asian religion, Hebrew is an Afroasiatic language, there is no logic that puts Israel in Europe. In fact, Israel is surrounded by neighbors given to mutual hostility, and the Arab Region accepts the Palestinian Scout Association. The same strip of land cannot geographically be on two continents, so please tell us, why is Israel in the European Region? That is encyclopedic and worthwhile to know.
  • Finally, the post-Soviet states are mentioned to draw attention to the fact that WOSM has 6 regions where WAGGGS has only 5. As this is an encyclopedia, it's a valid point worth knowing.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Subregional groups

This is not official part of WOSM European Scout Region. On the wiki page "European Scout Region (World Organization of the Scout Movement)" we should not write about Scouting in Europe that is where this subregional groups might find it's place. Beside this, there is many more non-formal Scouting groupings and networks in Europe. —Matanackovic

1. See my statement further down. Even when informal und WOSM and WAGGGS "law" the non formal groups and networks should be mentioned somewhere. Europak mentions five working groups, but there are also some geographical groups.
2. There are no sources on this because these groups were formed outside of the constitution. --jergen (talk) 16:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Jergen on this. The article is not about strict adherence to WOSM documents, but existing facts.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:20, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Regional Scouts administered directly by WOSM

Sorry, but this paragraph in absolutely not true. There is no Scout groups that are administered by WSB. —Matanackovic

The section was inserted in the article without any source. Boy Scouts of the United Nations speaks of an independent association and [2] says that they were registered directly to the IB. --jergen (talk) 16:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Again per Jergen, anomalies need to go somewhere, and the BSUN existed on indisputably European soil.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Cooperation

Eurofax do not exsists for more than 10 years. WOSM European Scout Region and WAGGGS Europe Region cooperate closely and more about that you can see on the website of their partnership

Mihajlo Atanackovic (talk) 12:52, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

• The last number of Eurofax was published in Mai 2002 (http://www.scoutnet.de/archiv/euro.scout.info/ef/110.html - German); the follow up was Euro.Scout.Info, which was changed to a blog in 2011 [3]. It is published by WOSM solely.
• The joint information service of WAGGGS and WOSM in Europe is http://www.europak-online.net/. I don't know when this was started - unfortunately most of the archives were deleted when the site was relaunched. --jergen (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Then we need to update the information, not delete it.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

General discussion

• Logo: Mihajlo is right. Should be changed, the former one should be deleted, since I can't see any encyclopedical use of it.
• Members:
  • The European Scout region (ESR) covers not the whole of Europe, but most parts. Somehow the article should state that the CIS (including Georgia and Ukraine) has its own region.
  • The Baltic states were soviet republics, so parts of the Soviet Union are now governed by the ESR.
  • Cyprus is difficult. The island is geographically in Asia, but the state political in Europe. I'm a European (a German, to be more precise) an did learn it that way in school.
  • @Mihajlo: Could you please explain, for what reasons Turkey and Israel are members of the ESR? It is quite clear that Israel (totally) and the Turkey (mostly) are located in Asia. One can understand it for Turkey, but why Israel? If not for political reasons, what other reasons?
• Subregional groups: A difficult one. These informal cooperations and networks are no official bodies of the ESR, but were closely connected to it. I think this should be mentioned somewhere in this article, but the current position is misleading.
• Regional Scouts administered ...: Mihajlo is right.
• Cooperation: Mihajlo is right again.

--jergen (talk) 12:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll post my rebuttal in the next couple of days, off to bed for tonight.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

A rebuttal- why not an answer or an argumentation? Please remember that Wikipedia ia a cooperative project and that nobody owns any articles. --jergen (talk) 09:14, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

The argument isn't "Are these things true but are they Verifiable. What source is there for the changes you wish to implement? Achowat (talk) 13:20, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I can't see your point: The disputed contents aren't sourced and verifiable right now.

Sources for most requested changes can be found, but I won't start lokking for them until there is a consensus how the article is developed. --jergen (talk) 13:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I refactored this so that each point has its own section for further discussion. Add comments and sources as needed. There is no deadline, so lets get this right before making changes. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:58, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Jergen, you're out of line to take me to task for the English I choose to use. Your English is strong but not native level. I am a native speaker and have been teaching English more than 10 years, so I should understand the words I choose. "Answer" supposes that I am the arbiter and decision-maker for the article. I am not, though I do watch it, as you do. "Argumentation" presupposes that we are on opposite sides, adversaries, perhaps as strong as enemies. We are not, and we usually work well together. "Rebuttal" is putting a counterpoint to points made, and is the appropriate word. It's been years since I've taken you to task for your bluntness to the point of rudeness, and as I say we really have been working well together. Nitpicking my choice of words, and incorrectly at that, is unScoutlike and violates WP:AGF. It would be nice if you struck that comment.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for calling me rude. I'll leave this discussion and try to avoid further contact. --jergen (talk) 08:44, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to pick a fight, and I'm still not. Your discussion looked like you were treating me as an antagonist, which is why I said what I did. You and I are not enemies, we're brother Scouts, and there is no reason for you and I (ever) to jab at each other. It was not necessary for you to post on BDuke's talkpage that "unfortunately" I was posting a rebuttal. I hold no ill feeling toward you and I hope you will understand my viewpoint. Your brother in Scouting, whether you talk to me or not, Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:05, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

to be added in later

Page 30 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 29 Chairman:David Bull, United Kingdom16th European Scout Conference: Luxembourg, May 1998 Previous Chairman:José Antonio Warletta 17th European Scout Conference:Czech Republic, 2001 Regional Headquarters: Geneva, Switzerland Brussels, Belgium Director: Dominique Bénards The 1998 Conference was held in Luxembourg 2-8 May 1998 and attended by 188 people from 37 countries. The following people were elected to form the European Scout Committee: David Bull (UK), Per Hylander (Denmark), Thérèse Bermingham (Ireland), George Hourdakis (Greece), Maarten Veldhuijzen (Netherlands), and José Antonio Warletta (Spain). The committee elected David Bull as Chairman, and Per Hylander as Vice-Chairman. Ondrej Vanke (Czech Republic) was co-opted following the resignation of Maarten Veldhuijzen in 1999. Highlights of the conference included the adoption of a Scout Plan for the period 1999-2007 - focusing on developing and promoting Scouting, improving youth programmes, managing adult resources, facilitating communication and supporting the development of national Scout associations. Resolutions were adopted on the implementation of the Scout Plan, futurecooperation with the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts,financial issues, future regional events and eliminating landmines.During the Conference, a joint meeting of the Scout and Guide Conferences was addressed by Jacques Santer, President of the European Commission.s In this field, the main focus during the triennium was on supporting national associations in adapting programmes to the changing needs of today’s youth. The Renewed Approach to Programme(RAP),developed by the European Scout Region in partnership with the Interamerican Scout Region and the Programme Service of the World Scout Bureau, was designed to meet the needs of associations for a clear conceptual framework. The RAP User’sGuide was produced in May 1998 (first edition). It comprises eight tools to assist national programme teams in each step of the programme development process. RAP was complemented in 1999 with the publication of the Cub Scout Leader’s Handbook, produced by the Interamerican Region with the help of the European Region. This book gives an introduction to the needs of girls and boys aged 7-11 and explains how to implement RAP in the Cub Scout section. Two key events were organized to share materials and experiences relating to RAP: the Summer Happening in August 1997 in Estonia, and the National Programme Commissioners’ Forum, in September 1997 in Finland. In addition, 20 workshops on RAP and other youth programme topics were organized at the request of national associations. A youth programme working group was set up in 1998.The Europe For You ! programme to promote youth mobility in Europe was improved thanks to feedback and support from national associations. The EuroSteps network expanded to include 64 sites offering young people opportunities to take part in challenging projects in 22 countries. The Where to Stay in Europe booklet grew to include information about 320 Scout centres in 25 countries and included a new section on voluntary staff programmes.In 1998 a pilot project was set up to test and further develop the European Voluntary Service programme to support the development of Scouting inunderprivileged areas.WORLD SCOUT BUREAU, European Region European Region Youth Programme Regional Conference-- Page 31 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999Page 30Youth ProgrammecontinuedWORLD SCOUT BUREAU, European Region, continuedRelated events included: Eurofolk, to promote intercultural learning andfriendship among young people aged 16 to 20, held in 1997 in Belgium; the 5th European Scout and Guide Centre Managers’ Conference in 1997 in Greece; two seminars on Europe For You ! in 1997 and 1998 in Germany; a seminar on young volunteers in 1998 in Kandersteg.The European Region also worked to reinforce other important aspects of youth programme. A seminar on gender issues was organized in 1997 in the United Kingdom. It was followed by a seminar on adolescent health and emotional development in Hungary in 1998. The seminar Building Bridges of Friendship was held in France, in 1996. It built upon the experience of the north-south network which has been meeting twice a year since 1989. The Overture network on working with ethnic communities helped plan and run a seminar on marginalised youth in 1997 in the UK. A seminar on spiritual development was organized in 1997 in Poland; EuroSea 5, the regular European Sea Scout seminar, took place in Norway in 1997. A new emphasis on peace started with a seminar on peace education in 1997 in France and continues with the Peace Cruise in 1999.s In the field of adult resources, the region has given priority to assisting national associations in implementing the Adults in Scouting policy. The Adults We Need, a document presenting the policy and ways of implementing it, was published as an appendix to the RAP User’s Guide in 1998. An adult resources working group was set up in 1997 to collect information, explore ways of providing better support to national associations and develop practical tools.During this triennium, the number of regional events on adult resources increased greatly. In 1996 the Summer Get Together was organized in Spain for members of national adult resources teams. This was followed in 1997 by a seminar on adult resources in the UK and the Summer Happening in Estonia, during which the team approach, mutual agreement and review process were developed further. In 1998 and 1999 management training courses were organized in Kandersteg for top volunteers and professionals. A total of 17 workshops or courses on adult resources were organized at the request of national associations.s The region continued its efforts to improve communication with national associations. Eurofax, the monthly telefax bulletin created in 1992 as a rapid means of distributing information from the European Scout Office, was published throughout the triennium; readership is estimated at 50,000 per month. A new communication tool called Euro.Scout.Doc was launched in1999 to inform associations about progress in implementing the European Scout Plan. The first issue focused on Europe For You ! In June 1996, A Vision of Europe II, the triennial report of the European Scout Region 1993-1996, was published with a view to inform national associations and institutional partners about developments in the region. The regional Internet web site (www.scout.org/europe) was launched in September 1997 and has been regularly updated and developed. In March1998, a significant improvement was made allowing documents and publications to be downloaded directly from the web site. This includes invitations for seminars and events, RAP, Europe For You ! publications and resource packs on various topics. Each month there are approximately 1,700 visits tothe home page and 1,000 documents are downloaded. In 1999 a communications working group was set up to explore ways of improving our communications further.Adults in Scouting Communication- Page 32 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 31s In 1996, Richard Amalvy was employed to work on external relationshipswith other youth organisations and with European institutions. By the end of1997, the region had achieved better representation within the Europeanyouth platforms, with new representatives elected in the commissions of theEuropeanYouth Forum and in the Governing Boardand Advisory Committeeof the Youth Directorate of the Council of Europe. Grants totalling about ECU100,000 were received from the European Union by several nationalassociations and by the region as a result of this work. A youth policiesworking group was established in 1998 to make proposals on future action.s Direct support to national Scout associations is an important part of the region’s mission. Over the past three years, 118 field missions were undertaken in 32 countries. 19 missions helped with the recognition process of new associations and since the last World Conference, four Scout organizations have been recognized in the European Region: Bulgaria,Lithuania, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYRO), and Slovakia. Eleven missions focused on fund-raising and financial management and 20 on growth and establishing development plans.s Cooperation between the European Scout Region and the Europe Region WAGGGS was a major aspect of the work during the triennium. The six-year trial period of joint structures, approved at the European Conference in 1992,came to a close in May 1998 and was evaluated during a lengthy process involving the different kinds of associations existing in Europe: WAGGGS-only, WOSM-only and SAGNO. In April 1997, a summit conference involving the top leaders of each association was held in Switzerland to discuss the evaluation results and identify possible solutions for the future. There was consensus on the necessity to continue close cooperation between WAGGGS and WOSM in Europe, but not under the form established in 1992, with a single committee, office and strategic plan. During the European Scout Conference in 1998, a resolution proposing cooperation between WAGGGS and WOSM in Europe based on common objectives instead of on joint structures was adopted by a large majority. A coordination group was established to manage the implementation of the joint plan which complements the two specific plans approved by the respective conferences. Both the regional committees and conferences continue to meet in the same place and at the same time with a joint session and separate sessions.s The European Scout Region has developed close cooperation with the Arab Region and the Interamerican Region. Every two years, meetings are held between top leaders in the European and Arab Regions, the last being in Kuwait in 1997 and the next planned in Greece in 1999. A Euro-Arab peace education seminar was organized in Cairo in 1996. A study trip in the Palestinian Authority took place in 1997 with representatives from both regions and six European associations to identify ways of supporting the development of the Palestinian Scout Association. Cooperation with the Interamerican Region has focused on youth programme and adult resources, particularly the development of MACPRO and RAP (see above). The Region is keen to cooperate with all the other regions, especially with the Eurasia Region.s Regional Director, Dominique Bénard, is assisted by: Richard Amalvy, Director, External Relations; Jacqueline Collier, Director, Youth Programme; Kjeld Jespersen, Director, Adult Resources; Aidan Jones, Director, Finance and Administration; Anna Keep, Deputy Director, External Relations; John Moffat, Director, Kandersteg International Scout Centre; Anne-Christine Vogelsang, Administration Assistant. After more than 16 years of service, Jean Pierre Isbendjian left the Bureau. Staff Cooperation with other regions Cooperation withEurope Region WAGGGS Working with others Support to national associations -

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Now that some Eurasian members have joined the European group, the map will need to be updated by a willing editor with experience. Also, the members have been added on this list, but not in alphabetical order. Archives908 (talk) 23:23, 1 October 2023 (UTC)