Talk:Euromaidan/Archive 12023/May

https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea

is on the approved Wikipedia source list. My edit should not be erased! Chances last a finite time (talk) 14:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I think it's more a question of phrasing for the lede than the source itself. It is not contentious to observe that the movement included far right elements, but to characterize it as far right on the whole in the lede seems not quite right. JArthur1984 (talk) 14:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

“Antiglobalist” editorial implying Ukraine is run by Nazis is not a reliable source on this. The author is US lefty polemicist, not a reporter nor an expert on Ukrainian politics.  —Michael Z. 19:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

You say this, but Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 351#Rfc: Jacobin (magazine) says "Jacobin meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control, a reputation for fact-checking, and the level of independence from the topic the source is covering". And it is on the approved source list! Chances last a finite time (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

As Others have said, the issue is the choice of words, also read wp:lede. And once you are reverted you come here, you do not wp:editwar. Slatersteven (talk) 19:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I have come here, to explain my edit. Chances last a finite time (talk) 19:51, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

And did not seem to wait to get wp:consensus before reverting it back in. Slatersteven (talk) 19:58, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Please see WP:EXCEPTIONAL. –Vipz (talk) 01:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The cited article doesn’t even say what Chances added to the lead. Although it is neither balanced reporting nor expert analysis but a polemical editorial, it does lead with “this polarizing event [the 2014 Revolution of Dignity] – depending on who you ask, an inspiring liberal revolution or a far-right coup d’état.” The article edit misrepresents it and says “Euromaidan . . . was a wave of Far-right U.S.-backed demonstrations and civil unrest in Ukraine.” POV pushing.  —Michael Z. 03:53, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Whether or not Jacobin is a generally reliable source, "generally" does not imply all its articles are reliable. The author of this one has absolutely no expertise or authority on this topic so there is no reason to cite this when the topic has been widely covered by authors who know what they're talking about in more unambiguously reliable sources. BobFromBrockley (talk) 11:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Russian propaganda names for this event

It's not about if we agree with them, but we should Include the Names that the Russian government has for these events, for example; Maidan Coup, February Coup or 2014 Color revolution. 2A02:3030:814:B315:1:0:1188:2A20 (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

All these terms you proposed are just plainly inaccurate description of events with no correlation with recorded reality. 78.58.3.21 (talk) 09:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Add Autonomous Workers' Union as part of Euromaidan protestors

Autonomous Workers' Union (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Workers%27_Union) took part of Euromaidan protests in Kyiv and Kharkiv 78.58.3.21 (talk) 09:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Labour unions should be added as participants in Euromaidan protests

Both "Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine" and "Confederation of Free Trade Unions of Ukraine" actively participated in the protests. Russian and Ukrainian Wiki articles on Euromaidan already list both. 78.58.3.21 (talk) 09:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)