Talk:EuroLeague

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How do they decide which teams go? --Awiseman 13:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"Palacio municipal de Badalona"????????? Palau Olímpic de Badalona, respect for Catalonia. http://www.badalona.cat/aj-badalona/ca/ciutat/viure-badalona/equipaments/equipament.html?html=4_15.html

Professional?

Is this a professional league? --Howard the Duck 09:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes. - Yuval 11:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Team and country

I wonder, wouldn't be right if we mentioned next to the team the country that exists now? For example Cibona-Croatia, CSKA Moscow-Russia. The same with the "titles by country" section. In this way we could show the real achievement by country, for example the great tradition of croatian basketball something which is not possible under the name "Yugoslavia". Besides we talk about clubs and not national teams (only in this case we couldn't change the country), so we can use the country that a team always belong even if this country used to belong to a wider federation. We could put the Yugoslavia and USSR thing as a note below the table. Sthenel 14:54, 7 January 2007

This goes to the top question as well: Teams represent their nations, based on achievements in local competition. Until 2000, this was very strictly kept. In fact, only since the laate 1970's were non-champions allowed - that is, local runner-ups of the best leagues and the defending champion, if it hadn't also locally triumphed that year. Since the 2001 reshuffle this has changed quite a bit. Some teams sign separate contracts with ULEB and thus ensure their participation for the next X years. Nevertheless, these tend to be the strongest teams in the continent anyway... the mediocre leagues (Germany, Poland, Slovenia, Portugal, Latvia to name a few) send their champions to the competition, while the weakest do not participate at all and try and qualify for the next years via ULEB Cup. - Yuval 11:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha....someone already changed the number of Panathinaikos' titles (before the final actually finished...). I was about to do this myself, but someone got me first :)))))

Go Panathinaikos!!!!!

Edits from fans

First of all, in the opening paragraph, the fact that Real Madrid has the record in the competition is the only thing that we have to mention. Other records should be included in the "Trivia" section. We won't include any record of any team in the lead paragraph because a fan requested it. Secondly, saying that they were 20,000 fans in a stadium of 18,500 seats is an exaggeration. A club can say that the attendance in a specific match was 15,000 while the official counting has given 12,000. So records like that should be based on Euroleague's source. - Sthenel 11:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

As for the first part, both records belong to the same "category".Your opinion of putting the one as the second sentence of the article and the other one at the Trivia section is TOTALLY subjective.Are you the one that judges alone what worths being mentioned where?As for the tickets...As i've written again, there is no more official source for a tickets sold, other than THE TEAM ITSELF.They sell them, they count them.Simple as that.Euroleague is not the teams' accountants.I'm linking the source which is the official site of the team and i don't think there's a need for further explanation on that one.And last, but not least, being a guest means nothing.There can be guests that edit articles and contribute anonymously with the same respect that you have for Wikipedia Sthenel.So don't try to use that as a plus for yourself during our argument.Besides, if that wasn't the case, then the owners of Wikipedia should completely ban guest editing.But they don't do it, so that means we have EQUAL rights.Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.203.52.14 (talk) 15:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

1st: The Olympic Indoor Hall has around 18,500 seats, so the tickets which were sold cannot be 20,000. There were 20,000 fans unofficially. The record does exist but not like the way you present it. 2nd: Real Madrid has the record in the whole competition and not a record for a specific period of time and this is something that should be mentioned on the top. I hadn't put it by myself. It was put even before I first watched this page. - Sthenel 16:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

-So, there is you admitting that there were 20.000 fans inside, we have Panathinaikos announcing it on it's official page, but you think we shouldn't mention it and keep removing it, although it practically happened (as you wrote).What should one think?That you are unbiased and i'm the one who's promoting Panathinaikos? -The Final four era of the Euroleague is the most "important" one for the history of the sport, plus it's the current format of the competition.Of course Real's record is bigger as a record.Who can deny it?But that simply doesn't mean that those two identical pieces of information must be written seperately.Writing those two bits of information one after another has a meaning of coherence.The reader is informed about the most successful teams in terms of overall history and the final fours era.There's no more simpler way i can explain this and i see no reason splitting them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.203.52.14 (talk) 17:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

The tickets for that match couldn't have been more than 18,500 so attendance of 20,000 people is an exaggeration. When we talk about a competition we refer to the record-team as a significant part of the info. Everything else is nothing more than "trivia". That's the end of this conversation. - Sthenel 17:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Final-four

The first final4 WAS NOT held in 1988 (Ghent). The first final4 was in 1966 (Bologna) and there was a final4 the next year (1967 in Madrid). So the total of final4 made is not 20, but 22. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ashton har (talk • contribs) 10:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

Help from Admins

The article is continually edited by fans who try to spotlight the teams they support. Most of them are guests and they are reluctant to discuss anything in the talk page. - Sthenel 18:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I've protected the article. This edit-warring is unacceptable, but that goes for both sides. I count something like 10 reverts by Sthenel within 2 days, and an equal number by the 85.x.x.x anon. This is a simple content dispute, neither side can argue they are simply reverting "vandalism". I should maybe have blocked both parties, but since blocks against anons tend to be not very effective, I have preferred protection instead. Please work it out on the talk page, there's nothing else that can be done. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Qualification?

Absolutely nowhere in this page is it discussed just how a team qualifies for Euroleague competition from season to season.

I did wonder about the same thing. It seems there is simply a fixed number of teams that participate; the article states: “That was when ULEB, the Union of European Leagues of Basketball, was created by the 24 richest club teams..." It sounds like the way the big North-American sports leagues work which Europeans may be unfamiliar with. --Bjarki 12:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Promotion/Relegation

It would be nice if someone could state for sure whether the league uses promotion/relegation. Kenallen 17:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It doesnt. see my comment bolow --ArnoldPettybone 22:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Its a veeeeeeeery tricky subject

Generally speaking, every country that has number of tickets given by ULEB and a Premier league union that are members of ULEB are entitled for participation. There are countries that dont have that union and are entitled, like russia, because CSKA Moscow is an important team to the Euroleague(they see it that way). In that case CSKA sign a 3 year country to participte. In Israel the situation was very much the same,with a premier league union that was established a few years and was excepted by ULEB last year. The Union decided that the league will decided upon a final four and dropped the playoffs to give teams more chance to defeat maccabi, whos lost only one championsip in the last 37 years. In return, maccabi got the privilege to be in the Euroleague until 2009. In the middle of this season it was decided taht the final four will continue for two more season, thus maccabi extended their agreement with the league union until 2012. In the countries that do have a PL union, the union decided the qulification himself per tickets received from the Euroleague. for example, In spain, that have 4 tickest there is a 3 year period of achievement calculation(wins, losses, playoff wons and losses) by table. the top two teams receive a 3 year contract. now the teams are Tau and malaga. The two other teams are set per season, I think. In Poland: champion. Serbia the same. In Slovenia Lubliana has a contract but they are in a tough situation financially. maybe that ticket will go the adriatic league champion more information can be found here, In spanish: [1] --ArnoldPettybone 15:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

As I understand, the ULEB Cup winner is automatically promoted to the Euroleague for one season? I recall the situation with Lietuvos Rytas Vilnius that won the ULEB Cup, then participated in the Euroleague for one season and was then relegated to the ULEB cup the previous season (the Lithuanian Euroleague "ticket" as you put it apparently belonged to Žalgiris Kaunas). The previous season Lietuvos Rytas achieved second place in the ULEB Cup but as Real Madrid, who won, qualified to the Euroleague via (winning?) the Spanish league then the next-best of ULEB cup was also promoted? Agree that it is a tricky subject though Valhalla guardian (talk) 16:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Proposal: Add background on parties involved and commercial interests

It would be useful if someone could add (critical) insights into the individuals and parties involved as well as their financial interests. Especially since none of that can be found the the official Euroleague website.88.73.108.165 (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Individual awards

It's ridiculous for such an important article to European basketball to have such a creepy structure. Shouldn't all these individual awards sections be moved in the Euroleague Individual Statistics? Half the article is about these. - Sthenel (talk) 13:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that was a huge problem and issue with this article. I have now made separate pages for the Euroleague awards.Euroleague Basketball Project (talk) 04:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Euroleague versus NBA games

Shouldn't this go into a separate article? It doesn't make part of the Competition itself... Maku17 (talk) 11:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Juan Carlos Navarro

The highest scorer ever in Euroleague is Juan Carlos Navarro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.49.229.98 (talk) 18:06, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Olympiacos is not from Athens neither do they play in Athens.

"Athens is the only city, from which seven different clubs: AEK Athens, Maroussi, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos, Panellinios, Panionios, and Peristeri have participated in the Euroleague."

I believe you will upset Olympiacos fans with this statement, as Olympiacos Piraeus is from the city of... Piraeus, not Athens. Their home court is the "Peace and Friendship" stadium which is situated in the Neo Faliro suburb of Piraeus.86.22.45.205 (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

The photo

The photo that illustrates this article is the featured photo on the front page today. It appears to show a co-ed game (men and women on the same team). Intrigued (is all wheelchair basketball co-ed?), I looked in this article for more information. There is none. A search for the word "wheelchair" shows it only in the photo caption. Is this an oversight? (I tried the article on wheelchair basketball, also, and all it said is that the sport is played by men, women, boys and girls; it didn't mention them playing it all at once.)

I don't mean to be difficult. Perhaps a photo of a wheelchair game was the only one available for free. But it seems like if you're going to illustrate an article on a league which (apparently) is primarily for play by the able-bodied by showing a photo of a wheelchair game, you could at least include a sentence in the text about what I assume is a parallel wheelchair league or tournament. Gms3591 (talk) 09:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 11 June 2014

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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over two weeks. Jenks24 (talk) 12:42, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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Euroleague Basketball → Euroleague – Commonly known as the Euroleague. Season articles without "Basketball". --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC) NickSt (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

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Delete Euroleague stats?

See discussion [2], as to whether it is appropriate to delete Euroleague stats from an article of a player who has played in both the Euroleague and another league. --Epeefleche (talk) 00:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 8 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: MOved  — Amakuru (talk) 08:34, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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Euroleague → EuroLeague – The new official name of the league, now once again capitalizes the L, like it did in the past. [3] - the current name "EuroLeague" is currently a redirect, because the league also previously capitalized the L in its name, before changing it to lower case in the official name. Now that the league changed it back to capitalizing the L, the EuroLeague redirect needs to be the main article's name, and Euroleague with the small l needs to become a redirect. The move can't be done by anyone but admins. Bluesangrel (talk) 01:47, 8 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:11, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

The capitalization is only for sponsorship names, not for the non-commercial names as the company's name which is still called Euroleague Basketball.

• Weak oppose. The company's name still uses the lowercase L, so I'm hesitant to make this move.  ONR  (talk)  10:07, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

The company didn't change its name, but it changed the name of the league though. They are two different entities. I think the league's name should be listed on the article as it is officially, which now has the L being capital.Bluesangrel (talk) 14:24, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Officialdom is less important than the WP:COMMONNAME. What's actually being used? Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 00:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Just to confirm that the league is now going by the name of EuroLeague, with the l being capital, you can see that even in their official press releases and articles from the league's official website, that they write it as EuroLeague, and not Euroleague. An example, - Panathinaikos lands All-EuroLeague center Bourousis.

• Support per nom. Jujutsuan (Please notify with {{re}} talk | contribs) 19:02, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

More to consider, the league's official Twitter account, now goes by EuroLeague --> EuroLeague, the same with the league's official Facebook account --> TheEuroLeague Bluesangrel (talk) 00:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

• Support. The uppercase L is used in just about every recent source that I've come across. That means that this is not only the official name, but also the common name. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:05, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

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Sponsor names at "Finals" topic

The teams should be listed with their current official name of each season. For some reason he insists on patent the names of sponsors in parentheses in a small pattern without justifying why this is useful or correct. This constant persistence verging vandalism. Basque&Roll (talk) 13:42, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

I think your changes are incorrect. The sponsors changes along the years and I think that the sponsors name have to be at the brackets for recognized the same team along the years. The sponsor will be in brackets, because if one team won the Euroleague with three different sponsors at the name, a reader who does not know about basketball can believe that three different teams win the Euroleague. The sponsors names are temporal, but the clubs names are forever. In conclusion, I don't understand why you are reverting the name of the company and removing the joint venture with IMG if you says that the problem is in the finals topic. Vasconia (talk)

Ιn principle, thanks you for your useful answer. As to the issue with the multiple names of sponsors, this concerns mainly the Italian basketball clubs and secondarily some few of the other European with starkest case of Saski Baskonia or KK Split. The problem with the recognition of the names of the clubs can be solved and I think that has been satisfactorily solved in two ways. First, the visitor of the page can link on entry -a facilities provided from wikipedia- system and see beyond the current name of the club and the corresponding historical or official, so for example can distinguish if the 1998 champion Kinder Bologna is Virtus Pallacanestro Bologna and not Fortitudo Pallacanestro Bologna. Second, the visitor of the page can go in the "Titles by club" topic and to confirm the name of the winning team, seeing the correlation of historical designation of the year conquest of titles. In conclusion, I consider that the format in groups with their official designation per season is more rational and convenient because it presents a more appropriate and in keeping with the reality of the time, the key elements of which needs to learn someone interested in the history of European basketball in general and the Euroleague particular. A classic example that I think your pattern with brackets is wrong, beyond the ugly of thing which is also very important, is the case of Pallacanestro Olimpia Milano who has been written as Milan or Milano with the main sponsor in bracket. In fact there is no group named MILANO, but only Olimpia Milano and the irrelevant reader will read an information that does not correspond to the truth because for example, in 1966 this club was commonly known as Simmenthal Milano and because the official historic designation of the club is Olimpia Milano. In each case, the purpose is the transmission of correct information in the most easy, the most prestigious part and aesthetically more correct way for anyone reader, whether this is known of the history of the sport either not. With assessment and without placing for edit war Basque&Roll (talk) 17:57, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

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Spanish flag is incorrect in some parts

Hi there, I am new to editing so I am just going to leave a comment, so somebody else can do the correction. In some parts of the article the Spanish flag is incorrect. where the Spanish flag has an eagle the flag should be replaced by the current flag with the crest. The flag with the eagle is the dictatorship flag. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iriamonalvarez (talk • contribs) 12:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

2018-2019 and 2019-2020 season Wikipedia pages are too big, it's causing technical problems

2018–19 EuroLeague Regular Season and 2019–20 EuroLeague Regular Season are too big and it's causing technical problems for Wikipedia.

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball#Euroleague seasons are getting too big for Wikipedia - time to split or reduce content for the discussion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

2019–20 result

Andiii, Sabbatino, BlackDraGoN, Nightfall87, Deepfriedokra: Excuse me for pinging you here, but Tracy Daerman (who is probably behind the IPs' vandalism of these months) continued to change the results of the 2019–20 EuroLeague season in the "Results" section, asserting that Efes was the winner of the season, but this is totally false; the season was cancelled and voided (as you can see here: Official statement, but also 1 2, 3). So, what could we do to stop this vandalism? Thank you :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 20:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Nick.mon You are correct, and it is so obvious that the 19-20 Euroleague season didn't have a winner that there is no need to discuss it further. This is an ultras behavior and I would kindly ask Tracy Daerman to stop iteratively assigning the Euroleague to Anadolu Efes. If Tracy Daerman doesn't want to stop I would recommend to report him for vandalism to administrators. Andiii (talk) 22:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

You have my support, Nick.mon. We have an official statement from the Euroleague, it must be written in the table. Any other kind of subjective opinions should not be there, otherwise it’ll be not an encyclopedia, but a fan forum. If it continues in future I think I’ll request either extended confirmed or full protection. -- BlackDraGoN (talk) 2:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Mr.You have to stop vandalism, and respect the results of the Regular season. I am a lawyer in common with Anadolu Efes and warn you about legal consequences of your behaviour. Tracy Daerman (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Tracy Daerman blocked per no legal threats. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

The rest is a content dispute please follow dispute resolution processes. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

It's the first time I find myself in this situation, apparently I need to give my version of the edit. The 2019–20 EuroLeague season was cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic; Anadolu Efes was first in the standing when this happened. Nevertheless it was not decided to assign the title to the first place and no further tournament was organized to assign the championship (like in the 2019-20 BCL case). It's true that Anadolu Efes was indisputably the best team, as per results, and could have won if the championship was not stopped, but this didn't happen and perhaps it left fans, like Tracy Daerman, disappoined. Nick.mon has provided valid sources and a simple search would provide many more with the same outcome. If this change has to be made I would very much appreciate a valid source to be referenced here. Thank you Andiii (talk) 22:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. That's all we ask for. This reminds me, I need to put another message on his user talk. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Deepfriedokra for your help and thank you Andiii for your precious support as a basketball expert. I don't even want to comment the "threats" of that user, this situation has already become too ridiculous... -- Nick.mon (talk) 23:07, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

@Deepfriedokra: sorry for pinging you here, but he's back. Could we block him? Thank you :) -- Nick.mon (talk) 21:52, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Improper revert

This revert was made on the assertion that the prior edit was disruptive. But it was not at all - it was appropriate. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EuroLeague&diff=1075527214&oldid=1075526189 --2603:7000:2143:8500:1C9A:BB7F:A5F9:95DA (talk) 00:09, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Changing the total of "titles by nation"

Need to change the total of titles by nation adding the 9th runner up position of Real Madrid to the total ammount of nation statistics. 94.236.200.192 (talk) 22:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

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Runner-up trophy

I don't know how correct this edit was, but it was not properly sourced and I don't think the fact would need more than 1 sentence anyway. Pelmeen10 (talk) 04:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Medals subtopic

Hi @Cf203, what does the "Medals by Country" subsection provide that the "Titles by nation" subsection didn't already provide? Is it just the additional bronze column, which could be added to the "Titles by nation" column as "3rd or 4th place Semi-finalist", consistent with the "Results" table earlier in the article? Was perhaps the addition of the medals discussion an attempt to conform this article to a template? In my experience, the winners of the EuroLeague competition are typically referred to as "Champions", rather than "Gold Medalists" (see https://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/euroleague/news/final-four-history-all-champions-1988-2021/), so my instinct is that the "Titles by nation" table is the one to keep, and possibly expand upon, but I would welcome hearing from you first. Thank you. Coining (talk) 14:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)