Talk:Ethel Maynard

Latest comment: 3 years ago by Yoninah in topic Did you know nomination

GA Review edit

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ethel Maynard/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Eddie891 (talk · contribs) 00:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Will review, shortly. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Comments
  • Suggest replacing gendered language such as "committeeman" or "chairman", at least when talking about women
  • "for eighteen years" from when to when?
  • "to the Democratic National Convention" maybe add a description of what the convention did?
  • "originally established by Governor Samuel Pearson Goddard Jr. before being disestablished leaving " dates?
  • I've lightly copyedited, can you take a look and see that the changes are acceptable? Eddie891 Talk Work 21:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • [1] [2] has more detail that you can add. I wouldn't consider [3] reliable by itself, but it is likely a good starting point. Eddie891 Talk Work 21:30, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • @Eddie891: Thank you for the quick comments. I am okay with the copyedits you have done, I will try and find the dates for the commission in Newspapers.com and get back to you on that, sadly there is most likely no way for me to find out the dates for the eighteen years part, and lol it is just a force of habit to write "committeeman" and I just fixed the error. As for 3 I got it as a result from here [4] which is an official government website. Jon698 (talk) 22:15, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • @Eddie891: I found the establishment and disestablishment dates of the women's commission. Can you update me on your position on the article? Jon698 (talk) 00:40, 8 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Sorry, all of a sudden I'm swamped with real life work and too busy to finish reviewing this today. I'll get to it tomorrow-- Sorry! Eddie891 Talk Work 22:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Your changes look good so far. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Jon698 I'd like you to incorporate more info from [5] and [6] and to see if [7] has any resources to get information though again I don't think that the state library of arizona blog is reliable by itself. As the article stands, it is not comprehensive enough to become a GA, but it's close. Placing on hold. Best, Eddie891 Talk Work 20:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • @Eddie891: Opinion on the article now? Jon698 (talk) 16:09, 11 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • This article is short, but as far as I can tell comprehensive. It's reasonably well written, well sourced (to reliable sites and everything I checked lined up), images look good, no evident copyvio or close paraphrasing. Passing. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination edit

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

  • ... that Ethel Maynard was the first black woman elected to the Arizona State Legislature? "Life and legacy of Ethel Maynard, first black woman elected to the Arizona Legislature". Arizona Central. February 28, 2019. Archived from the original on September 29, 2020.

Moved to mainspace by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:24, 6 October 2020 (UTC).Reply

  •   Article is new enough and long enough. It is neutrally written, and free of copyright violations that I can find. Hook fact is verified by the source, and is cited in the article. I would recommend linking "black" both in the lead and the hook; I would also recommend adding when her term was to the lead. QPQ is pending. Some slight redundancy in the article lead, but that's not enough to hold up the DYK. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:54, 6 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • @Jon698: Because the average reader from outside North America or Europe may struggle to understand the significance, or why the term is appropriate. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:11, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • @Vanamonde93: Umm people outside of North America and Europe know what black people are. We don't link to African Americans in every article regarding a black person. Jon698 (talk) 01:26, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • I didn't say they didn't know who black people were, I said it would add clarity and context. The history of race relations in the US is not universally known; the term "black" is also still considered offensive in some places (though not, of course, in the US at the moment). We don't add a link in every article, but it's logical to add a link when being a black person is central to an understanding of the person's legacy. Why are you opposed to adding a link? Vanamonde (Talk) 01:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Because it is pointless and not necessary. Anybody looking at the article can clearly tell it is about black people in the United States and more specifically in Arizona. Jon698 (talk) 01:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Then I withdraw the nomination. Jon698 (talk) 02:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • @Jon698:, please take a moment to reconsider. You've written a decent article about a consequential figure. I'm asking you to add a link that would help readers understand why she was consequential. Are you seriously saying you'd rather have this not appear on the main page than add a link to African American to your hook? Vanamonde (Talk) 02:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • @Jon698: That's a reasonable compromise, but in that case, I'd recommend piping the link to "first black woman", rather than just "black woman"; it's less confusing that way. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)Reply