Talk:Eskişehir Eti Archaeology Museum

Requested move 8 November 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. There is no consensus on where to move this article, if at all, and discussion appears to have ended two weeks ago. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bradv 03:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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Eskişehir Museum → Eskişehir Archaeological Museum – The target page is the correct name and it was created long before. CeeGee 19:05, 8 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 00:22, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning. The title of the reference was misleading. It was only "Eskişehir Museum". But in text it was "Eskişehir Eti Archaeology Museum". Consequently I moved to title to Eskişehir Eti Archaeology Museum. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 17:35, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

• Undid self-closure, re-opened. For now, I've redirected Eskişehir Archaeological Museum to this page, as it appears to be the same topic. If Eskişehir Archaeological Museum is the WP:COMMONNAME, support a move. — Andy W. (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose any move from the current title Eskişehir Eti Archaeology Museum. This is getting complicated, but on what little evidence has been provided, there's no justification for a move. So close this and start a clean RM if anyone has valid a rationale. Andrewa (talk) 09:52, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

OK, the position is now that we have three titles:

• Eskişehir Eti Archaeology Museum is the current article
• Eskişehir Museum redirects here following a recent move 17:28, 12 November 2016‎ Nedim Ardoğa (talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (64 bytes) (+64)‎ . . (Nedim Ardoğa moved page Eskişehir Museum to Eskişehir Eti Archaeology Museum over redirect: Correct name), no significant history
• Eskişehir Archaeological Museum (note Archaeological) never had any more content than Eskişehir Archaeological Museum is an archaeological museum in Eskişehir, Turkey plus a couple of navboxes, categories etc..

And it's now claimed that the last of these is really the correct name. Does that mean the official name? Is there any evidence as to the common name, or any other relevant evidence? (Please see WP:AT.) Andrewa (talk) 00:22, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

The official name in the local language is "Eskişehir Eti Arkeoloji Müzesi". Arkeoloji Müzesi translates as "Archaeology Museum" or "Museum of Archaeology" Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:42, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

You may be surprised to learn that this, but we generally name our articles according to common English usage. The official name whether in Turkish or English has very little relevance, and a translation from Turkish even less. Andrewa (talk) 11:42, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

OK, I just wonder what the “common English usage” for the title of this particular article is. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:57, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Again, see the article naming policy (or WP:AT for short... as you were urged to do, in several places, before raising or commenting on RMs) and particularly WP:AT#Use commonly recognizable names which reads in part Wikipedia... generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources (my link added). So, which sources have you consulted? Google or other search engines can help to find them, in fact the first step (only) is often just to do a search and note the number of ghits. Let's see... Eskişehir Eti Archaeology Museum gives me 5010 (your results may vary) while Eskişehir Archaeological Museum gave only 724. That's a big enough difference to be significant, and in both cases the first few hits look relevant. And many Wikipedians would look no further, we would need at least some evidence to the contrary to choose the second title over the first. But Google books or Google scholar might provide that.

The remaining name of the three above is potentially more complicated. There's more than one museum in Eskişehir (many in fact, even one devoted to comic art I see) so we'd need to ask which if any of them is the primary topic of Eskişehir Museum before deciding on that name. But fortunately it seems only a little more popular than the less popular of those two longer names, even if in that sample it sometimes refers to one of the others, which seems likely. So on the evidence so far, there's a clear winner.

And that's the sort of evidence that's normally considered. I can think of several other possible names to consider, however... Eskişehir Archaeology Museum or Eskişehir Museum of Archaeology for a start. Does that help? Andrewa (talk) 05:25, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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