Talk:Erna P. Harris

Photos

Discussion on photos can be found here. SusunW (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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Erna P. Harris

• ... that African-American journalist Erna P. Harris was a "fearless critic" of the internment of Japanese Americans by the US government during World War II? Source: p 168
  • ALT1: ... that Erna P. Harris pressed the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom to support school desegregation in the US and oppose Apartheid in South Africa? Source: pp162-163 and 176-177
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lupe Serrano
  • Comment: Could run for February's Black History Month or in the special holding area for March 8th. (I don't have a photo yet, but GRuban is working on it.)

Created by SusunW (talk), Ipigott (talk), and GRuban (talk). Nominated by SusunW (talk) at 16:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Erna P. Harris, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Schminnte (talk • contribs) 02:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

• @SusunW, Ipigott, and GRuban: all looks good with this. Article is new and above the necessary size, sourcing is fine, running Earwig's highlights no problems and QPQ has been done. Hookwise, I prefer ALT0 personally. Anyways, I'll wait for you to add the image before closing this. Note to closer: consider keeping for either Black History Month or March 8. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 02:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

PPuThanks for looking at it Schminnte. I think the photo is too blurry to use for the front page, so let's just run it without. SusunW (talk) 04:52, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

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Admitted, neither will look good at 500px, but the DYK image is only 120px or so, so they should be reasonable. --GRuban (talk) 16:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Erna P. Harris/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 16:50, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for picking this one up BennyOnTheLoose. Looking forward to collaborating with you again. SusunW (talk) 17:04, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Images

• All are relevant and public domain. Positioning is fine. A shame that the infobox pic isn't a bit clearer, but given the limitations of working with only free or fair use images, at least there are pictures to enhance the article.

• I know, frustrating, but George did a great job to make them better than they originally were. SusunW (talk) 22:32, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Captions: I couldn't see a source for her signature beret? (Edwards, Eleanor (June 5, 1978b) seems to fit the bill.) Is it worth adding a note about Harris's location in the Sunflower staff pic (or maybe including a version of the info from the ALT text about her being the only Black woman on the Sunflower staff?

• I cannot believe I left out that little jewel, but I've added it and her location (didn't want to overdo stating she was the only Black). SusunW (talk) 22:32, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Good alt text. Should there be a comma after the only Black woman in the Sunflower staff ALT text?

• Yes, added. SusunW (talk) 22:32, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Copyvio check

• I reviewed the matches above 10% found using Earwig's Copyvio Detector. No issues. A couple of phrases are repeated from the Discover Nikkei and OAC sources, but only ones which are OK per WP:LIMITED, e.g. born on June 29, 1908, in Kingfisher, Oklahoma, the internment of Japanese Americans
• No issues encountered from the sources I reviewed.

Early life and education

• Her father was a postman and pacifist. Optionally, this could be reworded as the current form sort of gives the two roles an equivalence.

• Reworded. Better? SusunW (talk) 23:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Although he did not own a gun, he routinely opposed the actions of the local Ku Klux Klan - I haven't seen the Intondi source, but this formulation looks slightly odd to me, as I wouldn't expect opposition to the KKK to require a gun. Is there more context to this in the Intondi source?

• Not in Intondi, but I mistakenly thought the US gun culture would be "common knowledge". Oklahoma, "the last frontier" and home of the "wild west" (although it culturally is also part of "the south") is high on that list. (Whenever I travel and am asked where I am "from" I am always asked if I ever saw a cowboy and if people really walk around wearing six-shooters. The answer is yes to cowboy, it's a real job, and "no" to six-shooters.) She was in school during the Tulsa race massacre and armed resistance was common. If mobs of people are trying to kill you, so the rationale goes, you'd better have a gun and a bigger mob. (Of course since the KKK had members on the police forces and legislatures, violence against violence wasn't likely to stop anything.)[1] Edwards 1978b says he was probably the only man in Kingfisher who didn't have a gun at home. (hmmm, did he have one at work?) Changed it to read Unlike most men in his community, he did not own a gun, but he routinely opposed the actions of the local Ku Klux Klan. Better? SusunW (talk) 23:22, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

• Spot check on the only Black student in the journalism department - no issues.

Career

• and the paper folded Optionally: reword, as this has a literal meaning as well as the intended one.

• Used closed. SusunW (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

• Spot check on She wrote feature articles and had a syndicated column, "Reflections in a Crackt Mirror" that was distributed to other markets - not sure that this is really supported by the sources. There's a Detroit Tribune source that mentions "for LATF", but I'm not sure what that "F" indicates.

• "LA Times Features", part of their syndication system. SusunW (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

• Spot check on In 1952, she moved to Berkeley where she operated a duplication and printing shop until her retirement - no issues.

Activism

• To end demonstrations, President Harry S. Truman, signed Executive Order 9981 in June 1948 to integrate the United States Armed Forces. - From the one page of the source I can see, it's hard to tell whether this is really a fair statement. It's consistent with the source, so I'm not saying is has to be changed, but I wonder if there was more to this than just the prevention of demonstrations.

• Of course there was more to it. It was totally political. Truman assumed the presidency when FDR died and ran for his own elected term in 1948. He was not expected to win and made campaign promises to deal with racial inequalities. Continuing pressure, from media, demonstrations, meetings by heads of organizations like the NAACP and the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters with Congress, etc. put a lot of pressure on him to keep his promises.[2][3]. I've changed the text. Better? SusunW (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

• She continued her activism for human rights regardless of whether her positions were popular - as there's only Dellums's statement to the House of Representatives supporting this, it might be better to attribute this to him.

• done. SusunW (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Death and legacy

• Spot checks on After her death, the City of Berkeley named the Erna P. Harris Court, a public housing project located at 1330 University Avenue, in her honor - no issues.

Sources

• FamilySearch is listed as "Generally unreliable" at WP:RSP. However, it also states there that the use of some resources there may be OK. As I dont have a subscription, please could you outline what the "Marriage Record: James E. Harris/Frankie A. Prather" is? (E.g. is it a scan of a register entry?)

• It is a digitized copy of the official registry volume 2 page 320 of the marriage license application, showing the name, age, race, birth place, and residence of groom and bride, official's certification, followed by the proof that the marriage took place. SusunW (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

• "Coop Dedication" should be "Co-op Dedication". Otherwise, all OK with the spot check on that source.

• done SusunW (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• MOS:LEAD states that "As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs". Having six paragraphs in the lead is OK, but perhaps see if any could be combined.

• Sorry, the issue of submitting it to DYK before GA review. Drive by editors using mobile devices seem to prefer short paragraphs and often break refs when moving text around. I thought I got them all back together, but missed this. SusunW (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Overall

• As I expected, an interesting, well researched and well written article. Feel free to quibble with any of my points above. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:31, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks BennyOnTheLoose. I truly enjoyed learning about her. I very much appreciate your collaboration in improving the article. I think I have addressed everything, but please let me know if anything is unclear or needs more work. Always a pleasure to work with you. SusunW (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm satisfied that the article meets the criteria so am passing it. Thanks again, SusunW. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:56, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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