Talk:Entheogenic use of cannabis/Archive 1

Archive 1

modern India and Nepal

Some of this seems to be on modern use of cannabis in India and Nepal. It you do not know if it was the same in ancient times, then it seems to not belong. tahc ^chat 03:57, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Should we just be using some of this material, and other bits from elsewhere, to cobble together History of cannabis? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I think that is likely the best course of action at this point. Sizeofint (talk) 09:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

History of medical cannabis

History of medical cannabis should be incorporated here.....as with Cannabis (drug)#History. As now history all over the place.--Moxy (talk) 17:19, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 16 December 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (non-admin closure)  sami  ^talk 00:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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History of cannabis → Entheogenic use of cannabis – (this is the original title); we had some title musical-chairs for a bit, but the original title suits the current content better. I request the move, and that History of cannabis be deleted so that later on I can move content there for a more general "History" article. Thanks! Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 01:16, 16 December 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

• @Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney: Better discuss this move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
• Comment, the target "Entheogenic" page already redirects to Cannabis and religion, which is an adequate name. Did you want it to direct somewhere else? Randy Kryn (talk) 12:48, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: @Anthony Appleyard and Randy Kryn: I realize I've been part of the problem in this musical chairs, so I'll suggest the solution:

• This page, which is about "using cannabis to get closer to god/s" can be renamed to "Entheogenic use of cannabis" or to another title I believe it once had, "Religious and spiritual use of cannabis"
• The page Religion and cannabis is not a major overlap with this page, since R&C is more about "what different religions say about cannabis" which in many cases about why they prohibit cannabis
• History of cannabis really should be a much more general article, essentially taking Cannabis_(drug)#History and fleshing it out to be the comprehensive History article.

Does that help explain my intent? Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 09:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm working up a draft here for the overall History: Draft:History of cannabis. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 04:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

• Support, As it is, the article is limited to ancient, entheogenic use. I think most people who look up "History of cannabis" are going to expect a much broader article that goes in-depth into modern prohibition. –Surachit (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
• Comment: neutrally-phrased request for comment posted at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cannabis#Proposed_move_at_History_of_cannabis. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 06:10, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
• Comment: note too I have a draft ready to drop into this namespace once it's cleared: Draft:History of cannabis. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 07:26, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
• Support . I'm good with the move, the draft history article really is more about the kind of history that we want in the main article, whereas the existing history article has an archaeological perspective and kind of hits a brick wall at about 1100 CE. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:07, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
• Support A history of cannabis article should obviously include all of the history; this only includes part of it. The religion and cannabis article has some overlap but is mostly about religious prohibition. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:06, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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Rastafarianism?

Why is this article limited to ancient use? The Rastafari article links here under Rastafari#Spiritual_use_of_cannabis, but there's not a single word about Rastafarianism. Their use may not be ancient, but it's definitely religious/spiritual. Jpatokal (talk) 05:22, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Original research

Claiming the man smoking a chillum is Hindi is original research. We need a source given the image description doesn't mention this. And not calling him a Hindu does not harm the article. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 19:29, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

The title of the image says it all. Ganja Smoking - Gangasagar Fair. Gangasagar Fair is a Hindu festival. How is that WP:OR? (Highpeaks35 (talk) 21:36, 26 November 2018 (UTC))

And where is your evidence only Hindus attend Hindu festivals? Stop jumping to conclusions. You are labelling someone a Hindu based on assumptions, he is likely a living person, see WP:BLP. If you revert again we go to the BLP noticeboard as you have NOT provided any evidence a living person is a Hindu. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 08:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Untitled

The reference of cannabis use in colonial mexico amongst natives appears unfounded. The reference cited (10.14704/nq.2014.12.2.753) does not provide any specific information about cannabis use in aztec or mayan communities, it only refers to another reference (DOI 10.1007/s11097-010-9157-z) which itself does not provide any specific information, the only mention of cannabis in this paper is the following quote:

Marijuana (Cannabis sativa) is not a plant of American but of Asian origin; it was introduced to New Spain during the colonial era on ships from China as a source of hemp fiber. Shortly afterwards, it began to be used ritually by indigenous groups with the beautiful Náhuatl name of Pipiltzintzintli.

According to information on Wikipedia, Pipiltzintzintli is most likely refering to Salvia divinorum - a native plant which was well known to these communities.

None of the other references mention cannabis use in mexico. With this in mind, references to cannabis consumption amongst natives in colonial mexico should be regarded as dubious at best.

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