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NORAD BIG Board

NORAD BIG Board
View of Ent/NORAD 1962

View of Ent/NORAD 1962
File:Photo of Big Board by RCA Service Company. Bldg Photo taken by Dick Burns, Sept. 1962.

images do not seem to exist.LanceBarber (talk) 06:13, 17 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Reconciling previous version of the article

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I've done a nearly complete rewrite of the article because there were many cases in which this version was not clear that the sources referred to Ent Air Force Base, sometimes the source clearly referred to Peterson Air Force Base. Sometimes Ent wasn't mentioned at all.

There is some information where it's unclear:

201 Army Air Force Unit, a primary document, doesn't stipulate which base in Colorado Springs in 1944. This record seems to connect it, though, to the 15th Air Force. Is this enough to correlate the two primary documents and come to the conclusion that the 201 Army Air Force Unit was at Ent?
This information is interesting, but the source is self-published. There's not even author, publisher, isbn info. I couldn't find a reliable source for this information when working on the Antlers Hilton Hotel article.
- Army Anti-Aircraft Artillery Command (ARAACOM) moved to Colorado Springs in April 1951. It leased space in the Antlers Hotel until August 1953 when it moved to the base.^[1]^: 60
The Plotting Board is clearly pictured in the Schaffel source, but I don't see a connection to it in the Popular Mechanics article - there's no mention of Ent or the Combat Operation Center. Is this the same plotting board?
- By 1961, an image of the COC's "Plexiglas plotting board"^[2]^: 151 was being transmitted to SAC's underground command post at Offutt AFB.^[3]
These statements may be correct, but the first source talks about golf on the Vincent Air Force Base. The other link is now a deadlink / redirected, but this is the archiveurl . It might be better to find a source that says when the base started a clay shooting range.
- Ent AFB had a golf course by 1954,^[4] and the Ent Rod & Gun Club had sanctioned trapshoots by 1958.^[5]
This is regarding NORAD
- Colorado Springs had 1957 "monitor machines on the four DEW Line main circuits",^[6]
I couldn't find a source for this
- and Ent became a "master station" of the 1958 Alert Network Number 1^[6]
I'm not sure the value of this and there's no source to read:
- (effective 10 June 1958, Colorado was the only state completely in the 34th NORAD Region.)^[7]
The reference isn't source, it's a google maps location
- Some of Ent's operations/units moved to the partially underground 1963 Chidlaw Building ½ mi (¾ km) south-southeast of Ent.^[8]
No mention of Ent:
- (e.g., the COC moved to the 1963 NORAD^[9] Combined Operations Center.)^[10]
I didn't find this in the source - not on page 472 or any other pages for Peterson Air Force Base:
- Renamed the "Ent Annex" on 1 April 1975,^{[citation needed]} the annex was assigned to the custody of Peterson AFB on 18 July 1975,^[11]^: 472
This source and the only archived snapshot are about a Pikes Peak International Auto Show
- Ent land totalling 35 acres (14 ha) was transferred in 1977 for the United States Olympic Training Center,^[12]
Information based upon an interview with a former Federal Building employee
- Ent's Federal Building remained a military computer facility^[13] and was shared with the United States Census Bureau for the 1990 United States Census—military units of the United States Army and other services later moved from the Federal Building to Peterson AFB building 2 which had recently opened.^[13]
This source lists the complex as the Ent AFB Defense Area, but it just provide a cost factor (1.07) on page 75. I'm not seeing anything about the following:
- The Ent AFB Defense Area was designated^[when?] a Formerly Used Defense Site.^[14]

References

^ History of Strategic and Ballistic Missile Defense: Volume I: 1945–1955 (PDF).
^ Schaffel, Kenneth (1991). Emerging Shield: The Air Force and the Evolution of Continental Air Defense 1945–1960 (45MB pdf). General Histories (Report). Office of Air Force History. ISBN 0-912799-60-9. Retrieved 26 September 2011.
^ Popular Mechanics - Google Books. Books.google.com. Retrieved on 2013-09-18.
^ "Fires 241 To Take Tourney". Yuma Daily Sun. 1 November 1956. p. 7. Retrieved 4 October 2012.
^ Col Elbert Throckmorton "broke 98 from 26 at Ent R&GC at Colorado Springs to be moved back to the 27" yard line for handicap trapshooting.
^ ^a ^b Preface by Buss, L. H. (Director) (14 April 1959). North American Air Defense Command and Continental Air Defense Command Historical Summary: July–December 1958 (Report). Directorate of Command History: Office of Information Services. Cite error: The named reference "NORAD1958B" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ NORAD General Order 6 (military document), 5 August 1958 (cited by 1958 Jan-Jun NORAD/CONAD Historical Summary)
^ "Google Map with route from Ent AFB to Chidlaw Bldg". Retrieved 17 July 2012.
^ http://www.argonavisit.com/newsite/pdf/Whitepaper%20-%20Premiere%20Comprehensive%20Security%2014%20pgs.pdf
^ "NORAD Chronology" (PDF). NORAD.mil. Retrieved 28 July 2012. (see also FAS.org chronology)
^ Mueller, Robert (1989). Air Force Bases (PDF) (Report). Vol. Volume I: Active Air Force Bases Within the United States of America on 17 September 1982. Office of Air Force History. p. 600. ISBN 0-912799-53-6. Retrieved 15 August 2013. {{cite report}}: |volume= has extra text (help)
^ "USOC-Colorado Springs History". The Sports Corp @ ColoradoSpringsSports.org. 11 February 2011. Retrieved 1 October 2012.
^ ^a ^b interview, former Federal Building employee
^ "Section VI: Location Factors". Historical Air Force Construction (PDF) (cost handbook). Directorate of Engineering Support, AFCE Support Agency. February 2007. Retrieved 12 May 2013.

Does anyone know about whether any of these items are Ent? Are there sources for this info or the connection to Ent?--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Units

Latest comment: 9 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Regarding reconciliation of this earlier version,

I am not finding a reliable source for the 206th Army Air Force or 206 Army Air Force in Colorado. There was no citation for the information - and the information that I did find was other Wikipedia articles and perpetuation of Wikipedia articles. There's also a blog and forum, but they're not reliable sources. Does anyone have information about this group being in Colorado Springs in the 1940s?
There's more detail in the previous version, but that seems to be taking the article beyond the limits of an encyclopedia article, but if others disagree, I am happy to add back the content that has valid citations.

Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:49, 14 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

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[LeonardV1-1] History of Strategic and Ballistic Missile Defense: Volume I: 1945–1955 (PDF).

[Schaffel-2] Schaffel, Kenneth (1991). Emerging Shield: The Air Force and the Evolution of Continental Air Defense 1945–1960 (45MB pdf). General Histories (Report). Office of Air Force History. ISBN 0-912799-60-9. Retrieved 26 September 2011.

[3] Popular Mechanics - Google Books. Books.google.com. Retrieved on 2013-09-18.

[4] "Fires 241 To Take Tourney". Yuma Daily Sun. 1 November 1956. p. 7. Retrieved 4 October 2012.

[5] Col Elbert Throckmorton "broke 98 from 26 at Ent R&GC at Colorado Springs to be moved back to the 27" yard line for handicap trapshooting.

[NORAD1958B-6] Preface by Buss, L. H. (Director) (14 April 1959). North American Air Defense Command and Continental Air Defense Command Historical Summary: July–December 1958 (Report). Directorate of Command History: Office of Information Services. Cite error: The named reference "NORAD1958B" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[7] NORAD General Order 6 (military document), 5 August 1958 (cited by 1958 Jan-Jun NORAD/CONAD Historical Summary)

[GoogleMaps-8] "Google Map with route from Ent AFB to Chidlaw Bldg". Retrieved 17 July 2012.

[ArgonaVisit-9] ttp://www.argonavisit.com/newsite/pdf/Whitepaper%20-%20Premiere%20Comprehensive%20Security%2014%20pgs.pdf

[Chronology-10] "NORAD Chronology" (PDF). NORAD.mil. Retrieved 28 July 2012. (see also FAS.org chronology)

[Mueller-11] Mueller, Robert (1989). Air Force Bases (PDF) (Report). Vol. Volume I: Active Air Force Bases Within the United States of America on 17 September 1982. Office of Air Force History. p. 600. ISBN 0-912799-53-6. Retrieved 15 August 2013. {{cite report}}: |volume= has extra text (help)

[12] "USOC-Colorado Springs History". The Sports Corp @ ColoradoSpringsSports.org. 11 February 2011. Retrieved 1 October 2012.

[interview-13] terview, former Federal Building employee

[WBDG-14] "Section VI: Location Factors". Historical Air Force Construction (PDF) (cost handbook). Directorate of Engineering Support, AFCE Support Agency. February 2007. Retrieved 12 May 2013.

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