Talk:Ennio Morricone/Archive 1

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Typo

Fixed a small typo in the "extensive reuse of his music section" One of the scores that was cited is from his work for the movie "The bird with the crystal plumage" that was erroneously written as "Violenza in Attesa" while the english translation is spot on (Unexpected violence) the italian title is a typo and has no meaning.

The words "In attesa" or "Inattesa" have two totally different meanings. The first is used to describe someone who is waiting for something or another person, imagine someone sitting in a doctor's waiting room. As a native Italian speaker "Violenza in Attesa" makes me think to a personification of violence quietly sitting in a corner smoking a cigarette waiting for someone to pass in front of him. The second word "Inattesa", means something that happened suddenly, unexpectedly which, fits perfectly with the contest of the movie that track was made for.

Moving the filmography

I think it would be appropriate to move the filmography to a new article. It's just too long.--Wutschwlllm 15:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Lists

I added the {{listcruft}} template: I don't think that the lists at the bottom are really necessary: a link to IMDB and some major works should be enough. Opinione? Matteo 08:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be moved to a separate article. Something like Ennio Morricone filmography and link to there from the article, but I see no reason why it should be deleted. Garion96 (talk) 21:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Which I just did. Garion96 (talk) 21:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

pronounciation

I would like to see pronounciation after his name, I have no idea how to say it. --geekyßroad^{. meow?} 04:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

"MORE"-i-"CONE"-"eh". But I don't know how to write that in phonetic symbolism.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.142.20.83 (talk) 23:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Image

Why was the image removed? --Merceris 02:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

It failed under Wikipedia:Fair use. It was an example of counterexample (things that aren't fair use) #8: "An image of a living person that merely shows what they look like." There was no other rationale for the retention of this fair use image. -- Cyrius|✎ 03:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Concert music

The concert music part is not very clear or easy to read as it is. Wouldn't it be better if it was turned into a list instead? --Dkd3 14:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Birthday

Is November 10th really Morricone's birthday? This article says otherwise: http://movies.msn.com/celebs/celeb.aspx?c=61971&mp=b —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.214.218.165 (talk) 00:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Contemporary music importance

If the project was on soundtrack composers he would be top importance, but the project is contemporary classical music and he is mid. Hyacinth (talk) 22:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok. --Catgut (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Top worldwide film grosses

I'm not seeing what this has to do with being a composer. Hondo77 (talk) 15:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Nothing directly, but it has an indirect value in describing his achievements. Being a composer of film music means being a part of a film production team effort. The listing of Morricone's films credits him for the outputs of the team he was a major player in. Erikupoeg (talk) 12:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

1978 FIFA World Cup theme composer

In occassion of the XI edition of the FIFA World Cup in 1978 Ennio Morricone composed the official theme of the event. [[1]]--Beaker35 (talk) 04:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

That's a good fact to include, but Youtube is a self-publishing site. I couldn't find a solid reference for that on the Internet. Could anybody help? --Erikupoeg (talk) 09:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Composer project review

I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is a weak B -- it's probably fine for film-score fans, but is missing some things a good composer bio should have. My full review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 14:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza

Why there's no mention about this ensemble? Ennio Morricone played several instruments as the member of it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gitler.ncb (talk • contribs) 16:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Basterds

Does Morricone's non-involvement in Tarantino's film really warrant an entire section devoted to it? Maybe a 'recent activity' page would be more valuable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.133.188 (talk) 04:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Removing unsourced material

I just removed a couple of negative passages which were unsourced:

In fact, it appears that Morricone had borrowed the idea for the whistling/Fender guitar theme froma minor instrumental hit recorded two years earlier by a group called The Nomads and called The Bounty Hunter [2]

Among his nominations for an Oscar, one was for Bugsy. [3]. It was discovered by the awards committee that he had included a theme from an earlier film he had scored called Ogro [4].And since a criterion of qualification for Best Original Film Score has to be just that, the nomination was cancelled.

The first one is definitely WP:OR without a better source than just the song itself. To my untrained ear the two songs do sound similar in instrumentation, but I have no idea how common the use of whistling for the melody was at that point, and I can't find any sources to substantiate the claim of "borrowing".

The second one seems flat-out wrong -- a newspaper search from Oscar season for that year doesn't turn up any record of a claimed link between "Bugsy" and "Ogro", although there is one article claiming a resemblance between the "Bugsy" soundtrack and "State of Grace". Moreover, the Academy Awards database lists "Bugsy" as a nomination for Best Original Soundtrack that year. --Sneftel (talk) 16:11, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Western Spaghetti score list

What does Queimada! in the western spaghetti score list ? It's not a western. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.254.227.194 (talk) 16:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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Singers who have sung his songs

Can we somehow get an idea of which of his songs have been sung by which singers? For instance, his song "Cinema Paradiso" appears on Josh Groban's first album -- and was just sung by Sung-bong Choi, on the Korea's Got Talent Semi-final. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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Untitled

The discography is very inacurate and seems copied from another website. I have started typing a complete list from three different sources, but it is taking too much time. I will post it when accectable.--FaZ72 02:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok, i have posted til 1969. From 1970 to 1993 is directly copied from the book Morricone, la musica, il cinema of Sergio Micelli, and needs verification.--FaZ72 20:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Fantastic! Thanks for all the hard work. I just made the reference section, so could you please cite your sources there? I already added the book you mentioned, and it will be best if we could have its publisher and ISBN cited too. --BorgQueen 22:04, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Miceli, Sergio. Morricone, la musica, ul cinema. Mucchi/Ricordi, 1994: ISBN 88-7592-398-1

Poppi, R., M. Pecorari. Dizionario del cinama italiano. I film vol. 3. Dal 1960 al 1969. Gremese, 1993: ISBN 88-7605-593-2

Poppi, R., M. Pecorari. Dizionario del cinama italiano. I film vol. 4. Dal 1970 al 1979* A/L. Gremese, 1996: ISBN 88-7605-935-0

Poppi, R., M. Pecorari. Dizionario del cinama italiano. I film vol. 4. Dal 1970 al 1979** M/Z. Gremese, 1996: ISBN 88-7605-969-5

Poppi, R., M. Pecorari. Dizionario del cinama italiano. I film vol. 5. Dal 1980 al 1989* A/L. Gremese, 2000: ISBN 88-7742-423-0

Poppi, R., M. Pecorari. Dizionario del cinama italiano. I film vol. 5. Dal 1980 al 1989** M/Z. Gremese, 2000: ISBN 88-7742-429-X

The third source is www.imdb.com

My filmography is still completed and revised for less than half. I am very bussy until at last half january, so hopefully then i'll find the time (and inspiration) to complete it.--FaZ72 15:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

much too brief biography.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzzzz (talk • contribs) 10:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree... this biography is way too brief. 71.179.166.137 (talk) 22:39, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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==Composers Project Assessment of Ennio Morricone: 2009-02-11== This is an assessment of article Ennio Morricone by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described? ok ===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? Inconsistent and sketchy personal data. ===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed? Missing teaching info? possibly missing non-film/tv composing; sketchy personal data. ===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article. Discography article appears to include all works; should it be renamed? ===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)? Stylistic discussion and public reception; needs more critical commentary. ===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.) Article has images and sound; some sound files need fair-use rationale. ===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references? Article lists some sources; citations are present, but many are unreliable (IMDB, for example). ===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.) Article needs copyediting and some attention to structure and MOS. ===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review=== Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE) Images and media have copyright/fair-use issues (WP:IUP or more specific GA/FA criteria) Article prose needs work (WP:MOS) Article text formatting needs work (e.g. quotation methods, punctuation, inconsistent styles) Article has work tags ===Summary=== This is actually a decent start to a bio about someone who deserves more attention than he's gotten. While his professional film credits are covered reasonably well, other aspects of his life are covered somewhat sketchily. We learn near the beginning of the article that by 1956, he was married and had three children; later, we learn that it was only in 1956 that he married. The trivia list at the end includes mention of students; but nowhere else do we learn where and when he was teaching. We also don't really have much context about when he wrote his non-film music (which, according to the mis-named discography article, is a non-trivial amount), where and when it may have been performed, how it was received. There are also weasel-like statements like this that demand elaboration (who are "Those", specifically): Those who concern themselves with "serious" music have been unable or unwilling all these many years to esteem someone who made a living by making soundtracks for Westerns. Portions of the article appear to have been written by people who are not highly skilled in English; copyediting is needed to improve those contributions. Some attention should also be devoted to structure -- the trivia list at the end is an indicator of this. Some of the media files need fair-use rationales -- they may be deleted from the article if this is not fixed. For most film-score fans, this is probably an acceptable article; as a bio of a "serious" composer, it is factually deficient. I give the article a weak B. Magic♪piano 14:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

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Legacy and influence ≠ trivia

The Legacy and influence section of this article seems to contain a good deal of irrelevant trivia – someone who says Morricone might have influenced him/her, someone who once recorded a Morricone tune. That sort of stuff adds exactly nothing to our understanding of Morricone – we already know he is a powerful influence, and that famous tunes get covered. Our article on Beethoven doesn't have, or need, a list of people who called their dog Ludwig in honour of the maestro. I suggest the following:

• remove the word "legacy", as he isn't dead
• remove the various homages, covers, samplings, whatever, that for all we know Morricone does not even know of, or reduce them to a short section of running text; that stuff belongs in the articles on those other musicians, and may be relevant or even important in their pages – but not here
• retain and expand the sections on those collaborations with other artists where Morricone was actually involved
• hive off the list of cover/sample artists into a stand-alone list – it's too long to be of any interest here (WP:WEIGHT), and, as before, adds little or nothing to our knowledge of the man

Thoughts? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I definitely think we should remove the covers, samples, etc. That is an unnecessarily long trivia list. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 08:45, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

An "influence" section is required for this composer. It's a little bit too easy and unrespectful to other contributors to delete a complete section. The template "This article may have too many section headers dividing up its content" is not required anymore since the number of section headers has been reduced.Christo jones (talk) 21:52, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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Oscar for Once Upon A Time in America

It is said that Morricone was to receive an Oscar for scoring Once Upon A Time in America, but since the company in charge of the scandalous US version of the film forgot to mention him in the credit roll, the Academy couldn't award him. Not sure about the facts though. --Kebman (talk) 22:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC) It's absolutely astonishing that he wasn't nominated/didn't receive Oscars for his other Sergio Leone movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.235.133 (talk) 04:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Fluffy piece

I'm as fond of the guy's film music as anyone, but this article is massively overwritten and packed with not-so-relevant material, digressions and trumpeted hyperboles. Needs some serious trimming down. 83.254.159.207 (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion to add Morricone's Chess-life

I've got a news recently from chess.com and wondered that famous Morricone was a chess player too! He mentioned this in his book so it would be appreciated that we add following text or any edited version to his Wiki page as he wanted too.

Morricone loved chess. He learned the game when he was 11 and before his musical career took off, he played in club tournaments in Rome in the mid-1950s. His first official tournament was in 1964, where he won a prize in the third category for amateurs. He was even coached by 12-time Italian champion IM Stefano Tatai for a while. Soon he got too busy for chess, but he would always keep a keen interest in the game. It is not clear how strong Morricone was as a player. His Elo rating was estimated to be 1700. He did hold GM Boris Spassky to a draw once in a simultaneous competition. It took place in 2000 in Turin with 27 players and included Morricone's son Andrea and Paolo Fresco, CEO of Fiat at the time. Morricone was the last player standing in that game, and Spassky had to concede the half point. Over the years, Morricone played chess with many big names including GMs Garry Kasparov, Anatoly Karpov, Judit Polgar, and Peter Leko. He mentioned in his book Ennio Moricone that he like to play chess. He said “If I were not a musician I would wish to be a chessplayer. But a great chessplayer, one of those about whom history is written; like Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov and many GMs of the past. It is just a dream; one that arrives, on time, when I lose a game."Akbardj (talk) 10:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Not credible "200 million" in profit

$200 million profit on sale of 3 million copies, as claimed in Association with Sergio Leone ("for The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly [...] Morricone's score became a major success and sold more than three million copies worldwide, earning him more than 200 million dollars") was impossible by the factor of... 100 fold. At that time, 1 album copy with film scores was below the average of $4-5 (max. $7-8). So, 3 million copies could generate at most $12 millions in total revenue, of which max. $2 millions could by Morricone's earning... at best.--67.87.177.228 (talk) 20:20, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. I've removed the earnings claim as unsourced and dubious. TwoTwoHello (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

The latest tribute to this master

Italy has created a special €5 coin dedicated to the Oscar-winning Italian composer Ennio Morricone who died in Rome last summer. The limited-edition coin, issued by Italy's ministry of economy and finance on 15 June, features a portrait of Morricone as well as an image of the maestro's hands in the act of conducting.

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Slightly better sources here and here. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)