Talk:English Qaballa/Archive 1

Qaballa is an alternate spelling for Qabalah. Essentially, this page shouldn't exist in my view. I've modified it to match the English Qabalah wiki page. Some sections still need updating: for instance, William Gray's system of which there is little information. Regards,

English Qabalah

Qabalah, Qaballa and Cabala are alternate spellings. I've added "English Qabalah" wiki page as a link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.197.184.154 (talk) 01:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The above is not true. Qaballa is a unique spelling used only in the term English Qaballa which refers to one specific form of English Qabalah, which is the general spelling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.97.110.55 (talk) 23:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually search for Qaballa on wiki, and you'll get redirected to the Hermetic Qaballah as should be. Also see: kab·ba·lah or kab·ba·la or ka·ba·la also ca·ba·la or qa·ba·la or qa·ba·llah qa·ba·lla (kāb'ə-lə, kə-bä'lə) Pronunciation Key n. often Kabbalah A body of mystical teachings of rabbinical origin, often based on an esoteric interpretation of the Hebrew Scriptures. A secret doctrine resembling these teachings.

[Medieval Latin cabala, from Hebrew qabbālâ, received doctrine, tradition, from qibbēl, to receive; see qbl in Semitic roots.] kab'ba·lism n., kab'ba·list n.

Usage Note: There are no less than two dozen variant spellings of kabbalah, the most common of which include kabbalah, kabala, kabalah, qabalah, qabala, cabala, cabbala, kaballah, kabbala, kaballah, and qabbalah. This sort of confusion is frequently seen with Hebrew and Arabic words borrowed into English because there exist several different systems of transliterating the Hebrew and Arabic alphabets into Roman letters. Often a more exact or scholarly transliteration, such as Qur'an, will coexist alongside a spelling that has been heavily Anglicized (Koran). The fact that the Hebrew and Arabic alphabets do not as a rule indicate short vowels or the doubling of consonants compounds the difficulties. Spellings of kabbalah with one or two b's are equally "correct," insofar as the single b accurately reproduces the spelling of the Hebrew, while the double b represents the fact that it was once pronounced with a double b.

Finally the article itself uses three variant spellings of the word. This creates confusion. For the sake of consistency, this should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.69.135.235 (talk) 03:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Please refrain from making this article a duplicate of another article. It is what is called a subarticle, which goes into more depth on a topic covered more briefly elsewhere. The original author of am article gets to set the scope of the article and what you are doing is disrespectful. Duplicate articles are not permitted on wikipedia, subarticles are. Your action give the appearance of spamming a book with which you are associated. As long as your actions continue to give that impression, it is likely that your changes will be continually reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.147.74.145 (talk) 14:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge?

I am thinking that this article should be merged into English Qabalah#James Lees' system. Thoughts? Blueboar (talk) 14:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Definitely. However, authors of this page are trying to hijack the General English Qabalah page. They continually vandalize the page by removing reference to any work, or book, that is not affiliated with their James Lees "Qaballa". So in merging, care should be taken that the article is not used for partisan purposes.

Merge. TuckerResearch (talk) 23:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Move to ALW Cipher. The topic seems important and we have enough info for a separate article, in my view, but the current name seems absurd. I don't know why anyone would use it. As I implied elsewhere (edit: old talk page, at the title Ekajati's sockpuppet of the time preferred), it seems not only biased but also insulting to words like Thélème and Sol Invictvs. And while some people may think their doctrine or "a qabalah" follows automatically once you take their preferred text and apply some cipher or gematria, this seems objectively false. Cipher or gematria seems like the proper term for the topic. Dan (talk) 20:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, I don't understand the focus on Lees. One of these articles claims that a Carol Smith published first. Greenfield, meanwhile, says that Smith discovered the cipher in 1974, prior to the alleged date of discovery by Lees. The "citation" for his discovery, when one corrects the link, goes to a seemingly unpublished article on his own website that in any case places his work in 1976. Dan (talk) 21:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Carol Smith was a colleague of Lees who wrote articles describing Lees system. Some say (including Lees) that "Carol Smith" was actually a pseudonym of Lees, but I doubt there can ever be a reliable source for that. Credit should be given where credit is due. Greenfield is simply wrong about Smith being the primary discoverer of the system; he got the date wrong too. If you want to add this information without assuming its truth I'm sure you know how to do so. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.30.128.209 (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Clarification: Lees used the "Qaballa" spelling because in 1976 when he discovered the ALW key it was not in common use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.136.160 (talk) 14:51, 18 July 2014 (UTC)