Talk:Endurance racing (motorsport)

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Is the Coca-Cola 600 even an endurance race? It is the longest NASCAR race, but it is considerably shorter than the other endurance races listed. I've never heard it called an endurance race by NASCAR media or anyone else. Clinevol98 04:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Considering that the 1911 Indianapolis 500 took 6 hours, 42 minutes, and 8 seconds for the winner to complete, one could argue that 500-600 mile races are endurance races. Since cars have become so much faster in the last century, they're usually over in 4 hours or less.Mustang6172 (talk) 02:40, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Who said they form the Triple Crown ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterkirchem (talk • contribs) 13:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Huh?

The article claims A. J. Foyt is the only winner of the endurance Triple Crown (Le Mans, Daytona, Sebring). That didn't look right when I read it. I looked at the winner lists for those three races and found ten more in addition to Foyt.

They are: Mauro Baldi, Dan Gurney (arguable, since his Daytona win was in a 3 hour event), Hurley Haywood, Hans Herrmann, Phil Hill (arguable, his Daytona win was in a 2000km event), Al Holbert, Jacky Ickx (arguable, his Daytona win was in a 6 hour event), Jackie Oliver, Andy Wallace, and Marco Werner. I would include Gurney, Hill, and Ickx because they are usually counted along with the 24 hours winners, but that is debatable.

arenasnow 16:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Then re-write it. You have that power! --Falcadore (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: delete section "Triple Crown"

This has no reliable references, and is not well known. Some would say it's a term made up by those claiming to have won the "event". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.22.59 (talk) 01:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I notice that rather than 'Propose' this edit, you've just gone and deleted it, which makes the proposal superfluous. Not going to un-delete it myself because I agree to some extent with OR, but Petit Le Mans was not intended to be a fourth event, but a substitution for Daytona after it went to Grand-Am. Instead of, not additional. --Falcadore (talk) 03:17, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

No no, all I did was remove the lengthy and unnecessary table. The rest is still there. The next step will be to remove the entire section 2.1, which is unsourced and not really an event to begin with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.22.36 (talk) 00:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Lack of sourcing is not a reason to remove information. The³5₉ (Talk) 02:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

But could the lack of sourcing mean that it's a non-event that's been made up and doesn't matter? Find me coverage that proves people care about this "achievement", or I will remove it all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.22.36 (talk) 17:22, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but where do you think you are demanding references from others and assuming something is made up without and research of your own? Threats to remove information because it does not meet your criteria will not be tolerated. You seem to be lacking in comprehension of certain Wikipedia guidelines, and are removing information without any actual discussion, instead flinging threats. The³5₉ (Talk) 18:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't have any criteria, I'm just following the wiki guidelines. Furthermore, I did some research, and drew a blank. That's the whole point- the phrase is unknown, and seems unique to wikipedia. I assert that this is not notable. At best, it's pointless trivia, and at worst, it's promotional language and back-patting from a manufacturer. Feel free to back up any counterclaims of the achievement being widely accepted. Otherwise it WILL be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.22.36 (talk) 22:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Drew a blank? FOXSports.au, Spirit of Daytona Motorsports, Porsche, American Le Mans Series, SpeedTV.com, Corvette Racing. So what exactly is made up about this? And who exactly is back patting? The³5₉ (Talk) 18:41, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Recent edits

People have recently been placing undue weight on a list of winners. A wikipedia article like this is supposed to describe/explain the subject of the article, not list all the winners in the history of the sport (or in this case, collection of sports). It's for this reason that

• List of Wimbledon ladies' singles champions is not part of the article on tennis
• List of heavyweight boxing champions is not part of the article on boxing,
• List of oil refineries is not part of the article on oil
• List of chess grandmasters is not part of the main article on chess.

It's just not needed. Hopefully this will prevent people trying to cram all of this stuff in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.18.150 (talk) 18:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

How is it undue weight when the majority of endurance racing is sports car? The only other form of motorsport that comes close in terms of popularity in endurance racing is motorcycle racing, and they have their own article on their endurance championship. This article certainly does explain the subject matter, and includes lists which are relevant to its history. And certainly a chart of ten people is in no way undue weight or overwhelming the article.

Tennis does include a list of Grand Slam tournament winners. Boxing does include a chart of heavyweight boxing champions. The³5₉ (Talk) 18:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You've been trying to delete this table for six months, citing some reasons which has just been made up with nothing to do about the actual subject, citing for example, lack of coverage in F1 and NASCAR articles. This isn't a Formula One or NASCAR award, they have nothing to do with the subject. You've also changed your reasoning multiple times.

Additionally I note on a previous occasion you thought the marital status of computer gamers who have never even been involved in motor racing as a relevant addition to this article. I know I am supposed to assume good faith, but I'm forced to question your level of knowledge about the subject and your motivation here.

However I do think there is a potential case for removing the manufacturers Triple Crown table, for similar reasons for its removal from the Triple Crown of motorsport article. --Falcadore (talk) 23:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I had also planned to add that this was beginning to border on WP:IDONTLIKEIT, but decided against it. You have accused people of adding the chart to the article or even mentioning the Triple Crown as some sort of self promotion, but your intent with seemingly attempting to come up with every way possible to remove mention of it from Wikipedia is suspect. The³5₉ (Talk) 03:51, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

1984 Triple Crown winner

Just to point out that on the car section, the 1984 winner of the Daytona 24 Hours was in fact a March with a Porsche engine, so is that going to count? I thought the whole car is counted as the winner as this is like saying that the 1987 F1 World Championship was won by a Honda, not by a Williams. Donnie Park (talk) 16:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

What I have now done is removed those who solely won as engine. The reason is not just nobody replied, the stats does not add up as two of those, the 1975 and 1980 winner had a Ford engine, so why wasn't this added in, whereas that section listed the GT40 wins. Donnie Park (talk) 12:58, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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25 Hours of Thunderhill

I suspect that this should be in here somewhere, but I'll leave it to someone more familiar with racing.Snori (talk) 22:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)