Talk:Emoji/Archives/2020/July

Firefox Emoji One

Firefox used to use %PROGRAMFILES%\Mozilla Firefox\fonts\EmojiOneMozilla.ttf (presently maintained by Joypixels). Later it switched to Twitter’s set. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.9.153.163 (talk) 18:11, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

External links: iemoji.com

• https://www.iemoji.com/ – a service to preview your emoji text with images if you get tofu with older smartphones or otherwise unsupportive platforms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.9.153.163 (talk) 18:17, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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s/(?<=12) *x *(?=12)/&times;/ and possibly more similar uses of „x”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.9.153.163 (talk)

Done: there was a mixture of "12x12", "12 x 12" and "12×12"; I changed them all to the latter. --HarJIT (talk) 10:00, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Famously...

Please illustrate in the running text: peach , eggplant – {{Emoji|1F351}}, {{Emoji|1F346}}.

{{Unichar}} would probably be too much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.9.153.163 (talk)

Not done: the sexual innuendo use of those individual emoji is already discussed in the article (section § Controversial emoji). Unless you have some reputable secondary source in mind discussing the impact of that specific sequence (as opposed to the variety of sequences which one could come up with as innuendos for sex acts), I really don't see how quoting it would add to the article. --HarJIT (talk) 10:06, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Emoticon into Emoji

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Despite this article's insistence that an emoji is somehow different from an emoticon in that one is pictographic while the other is textual, it would appear that they are not.

This is reflect particularily strongly in the Emoticons (Unicode block)

I remember using several forum engines in the last two decades where the terms smiley and emoticon were used interchangeably to refer to a text entry or special code which would be substituted with an inline image, long before rendering of the Unicode code points were adopted.

In particular see this article on smileys in PHPBB https://web.archive.org/web/20190205014947/https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.1/kb/article/everything-you-need-to-know-about-smilies-v3x/

Anecdotally I observed the "transition" to emojis when the iPhone came out and had an Emoji feature to serve japan as noted in the history section, because Japan already had some nonstandard emoji extensions for telcos. Initially the iPhone did not support this keyboard in other rejions and it needed to be unlocked by means of a workaround with an "Emoji unlocker" app which enabled the keyboard which was actually present by circumventing the system in some way. The overwhelming popularity and need to have emoji be consistent across devices with SMS lead to expedient standardization of the modern set.

This appears to be substantiated by thearticle body The emoji keyboard was first available in Japan with the release of iPhone OS version 2.2 in 2008.[111] The emoji keyboard was not officially made available outside of Japan until iOS version 5.0.[112] From iPhone OS 2.2 through to iOS 4.3.5 (2011), those outside Japan could access the keyboard but had to use a third party app to enable it. The first of such apps was developed by Josh Gare; emoji beginning to be embraced by popular culture outside Japan has been attributed to these apps.[113][114] iOS was updated to support Fitzpatrick skin-tone modifiers with version 8.3.[115]

Prior to this the term emoji was not widely internationally adopted, however due to the prevalence of the term now used in mobile forms and it being more convenient to say emoji, as opposed to emote or emoticon, the term emoji has supplanted these in common usage.

Therefore it would seem that an emoji is just the common name for an emoticon, and that there is no clear distinction, and emoticon should just redirect here as it is no longer the WP:COMMONNAME

Ethanpet113 (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Oppose: The emoticon article is mainly discussing things such as ^_^ or :-) or even ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°), which do not constitute emoji in and of themselves, although a subset of them may (as you mention) be substituted with emoji by input methods, of with pictorial emotes by forum systems. To merge discussion of these into the emoji article, except as a passing mention as an input method (along with shortcodes), would be highly confusing.

That the term "emoticon" can also refer to a subset of emoji does not make the terms synonymous. --HarJIT (talk) 09:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Oppose as above. Separate topics invented separately. The point of emoticons is that they can be typed in using standard text symbols on a regular keyboard, whereas emoji are logographs designed from scratch. There are contextual substitution engines that turn emoticons (e.g. :D ) into emoji as on (say) Skype, but that doesn't make them the same topic. While there have been some dingbats and characters prior to Emoji that wound up encoded in unicode (say † for a footnote, or manicules, ☞), the number of them isn't comparable to the huge number of emoji added recently, and they aren't emoticons either. Blythwood (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Strongly oppose: Emojis are characters fro ma relatively closed set that may be represented by colorful font glyphs. Emoticons are freely extensible character sequences that may be substituted by colorful images. @Bumsowee: please revert your merger contrary to the discussion here, so nobody else has to do it. — Christoph Päper 15:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - Emoji (single custom characters) vs emoticons (multiple characters joined together that resemble something else) are quite distinct. David G (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Emojis and Emoticons are totally different. Emojis being singular unicode characters vs Emoticons being a combination of characters sets them completely apart. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Emoticons and Emojis have a completely different process in how they are created by the writer and how they are interpreted by the reader. In addition, Emoticons are designed and created by writers in context of their crafted message whereas Emojis are created by programmers, graphic designers, and other professionals well in advance of the writer's message. — Lostart27 (talk) 22:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Gautam kelkar123 (talk) 14:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

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