Talk:Ellis Short

Edit request on 9 April 2013

Please remove the reference to "president of Lone Star Funds" in the first line. It should read: "Ellis Short (born October 6, 1960, in Independence, Missouri)[2] is a Dallas-based American businessman and the current owner and the chairman of the English Premier League club Sunderland AFC[4]."

While a press release was never issued on the matter, Ellis Short is no longer with Lone Star Funds, as can be evidenced on the Leadership page of the Lone Star Funds website: http://www.lonestarfunds.com/about-us/leadership/. Furthermore, citation [3], which corresponds with this fact is from 2002 and not even an active link anymore.

For this same fact - please also remove the clause "but remains President" in the following sentence: In 2003, Short masterminded the takeover of the Korea Exchange Bank of South Korea. This subsequently resulted in him being subject of an arrest warrant, which was later dropped. He subsequently retired from Lone Star, but remains President.

Gumby938711 (talk) 00:53, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Done. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:53, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Corrections & Additional Content

Hi. There are a few inaccuracies in the article and additional content can be added, see below.

Please note that Ellis Short is my client and I hope to work with the community to ensure this article is up-to-date and factually correct. Please do get in contact via my Talk Page if you have any questions.

If someone could please review the suggested changes and implement them if acceptable. Thanks Vivj2012 (talk) 14:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Information Box

Residence: London, not Dallas.Daily Express

Introduction

Ellis Short (born October 6, 1960, in Independence, Missouri) is a London-based Irish businessman and founder of Kildare Partners, a private equity fund investing in distressed European real estate assets.Reuters Short is also the current owner and chairman of the English Premier League club Sunderland AFC.Irish Independent The Times

Short began his career at General Electric before joining Lone Star in 1995, a Dallas-based private equity firm, becoming president of the fund and heading its Asian operations.The Times The Daily Telegraph In September 2008 Short took a controlling interest in Sunderland AFC, assuming full ownership of the club in May 2009.The Daily TelegraphThe Guardian

Lone Star Funds

In 1995, Ellis Short teamed up with business partner John Grayken to establish Lone Star Funds, a private equity firm investing in distressed debt. By the time Short left the business in 2008, Lone Star had established funds worth more than $13.3bn (£8.3bn).The Guardian Business Week

In 2003, Short led a deal to purchase 51 per cent of South Korea’s Korea Exchange Bank for $1.5bn.The Daily Telegraph Lone Star’s subsequent attempt to sell this stake to Kookmin Bank of Korea for $5bn at a time of national unease about foreign ownership attracted the attention of the Korean authorities, who sought to detain Short and two other Lone Star executives for questioning.The Australian The New York Times In November 2006, the Seoul Central District Court rejected the applications for arrest warrants, and all charges relating to the deal were dropped.The New York Times

Skibo Castle

In 2003, Short bought Skibo Castle for £23 million, which operates as a members-only hotel and country club in Scotland.North East Life Mag The castle is famous for hosting Madonna's wedding to Guy Ritchie in 2000.About.com

Sunderland AFC

On 22 December 2008 The Daily Telegraph reported that Short was poised to become the new owner of Sunderland, ready to complete a deal with the eight-man(remove reference to eight-man) Drumaville Consortium for their remaining shares in the club.The Daily Telegraph

Kildare Partners

In 2013, Ellis Short formed a new company, Kildare Partners, to invest in distressed property assets and non-performing debt.The Times Irish Times

Done. Vivj2012 - If you can get photographs relevant to the article uploaded to commons, I would be happy to add them to the article. Also, Template:Citation should be added to each of the references, which I believe you yourself can do per WP:COIU. -- Jreferee (talk) 22:28, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Additional points

Hi Jreferee. Thanks for responding and your help so far. There are a couple of points that have been missed, so I've listed them below. It would be a great help if you could implement them:
1. The introduction should refer to Short as an Irish businessman as he was born in Ireland
2. In the Early Life section you should delete content after the first mention of Missouri as it's repetitive
3. The content regarding Lone Star Funds, above, should be added to the article
4. The article should really be divided into the different sections with headings, as outlined above, e.g. Career/Lone Star Funds/Skibo Castle etc

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks Vivj2012 (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

{In reply to this request). Vivj2012 - Short was born in Independence, Missouri,[1] not Ireland. Whether he is an Irish businessman needs to be source to an independent, reliable source. The introduction is governed by WP:LEAD, and Irish businessman being in the lead would need to be justified per reliable sources as contributing to defining the topic (e.g., do reliable sources typically refer to Short as an Irish businessman?). Neither of the above references supports linking statements "By the time Short left the business in 2008, Lone Star had established funds worth more than $13.3bn (£8.3bn)." Dividing a page into sections is governed by Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout. "Sections usually consist of paragraphs of running prose", MOS:PARAGRAPHS, likely meaning two paragraphs of at least three to five sentences each. I don't think there is enough text in the article to divide it into Career/Lone Star Funds/Skibo Castle etc. If you find sources to support your request or find policy/guideline support for your requests, please let me know. I see that you have not gotten any photographs. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Additional Article Content

• Short should, however, be described as Irish-American as he holds an Irish citizenship. Articles published by The Guardian, Daily Mail and Irish Independent confirm this. -- Vivj2012 (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Added. -- Jreferee (talk) 10:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Sunderland AFC: There should be a mention of how Short gained controlling interest in Sunderland AFC in September 2008, before assuming ownership of the club in May 2009 - see suggested content under the Introduction section above. -- Vivj2012 (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The article reads "In September 2008, Short gained a controlling interest in Sunderland A.F.C., assuming ownership of the club in May 2009." -- Jreferee (talk) 10:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Korea Exchange Bank: See the content included under the Lone Star Funds section above. The most important content for inclusion is about the Korea Exchange Bank deal, as the related arrest warrants and charges have all been dropped. This point should really be updated asap as it is legally inaccurate. -- Vivj2012 (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Removed unsource material. -- Jreferee (talk) 10:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

• Drumaville Consortium: The Ellis Short Wikipedia article refers to an 'eight-man consortium', but the Daily Telegraph reference provided refers to 'nine-man consortium'. The Drumaville Consortium Wikipedia article states it is a 'seven-man consortium' so I would suggest, due to the confusion, that the number of people is simply removed unless it can be properly corroborated. -- Vivj2012 (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Removed unneeded information. -- Jreferee (talk) 10:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance Jreferee. Vivj2012 (talk) 16:23, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Lone Star Funds

Included below is some additional information regarding Lone Star Funds which can be added to the article, once reviewed. Thanks Vivj2012 (talk) 16:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

In 1995, Ellis Short teamed up with business partner John Grayken to establish Lone Star Funds, a private equity firm investing in distressed debt. By the time Short left the business in 2008, Lone Star had established funds worth more than $13.3bn (£8.3bn).The Guardian Business Week

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