Talk:Elisiv of Kiev

Daughters of Yaroslav the Wise

Was Elisiv the second eldest? Who was the person that said which of the four was who? Elisiv birthdate is 1025 while Anastasia's is 1023, so why is Elisiv pictured as the second sister while Anastasia is pictured as the third sister. And do we even actually know if the supposive Agatha was the eldest? I'm just wondering is there any historical analysis or prove behind who is who is this image.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 01:43, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Tora Torbergsdatter

Harald can't be married to Elisiv and take Tora Torbergsdatter as another wife! Polygamy wasn't accepted by the Church at the time.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 23:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

No, it was not, But that has not stopped several Christian king's from comitting bigamy. Look for example at Sophie von Dönhoff,Julie von Voß, Elisabeth Helene von Vieregg, Anna Sophie Reventlow, Margarethe von der Saale..... It was not accepted but they did it anywhay. This is simply what the information says. --85.226.45.95 (talk) 23:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Usually in those cases, the second non-royal wife is not accepted as legitimate or their children either. It should mention this weird situation in the text of both articles and their husband's article.

The details should be mentioned, yes, but not untill we have a reference for them. As it is now, the references just confirms that he was married to both ot them at the same time. It offers no explanations or detailes about how this could be possible what so ever. It is a fact, however, that Tora is never called "queen", like Elisiv, just "wife". But of course, you can mention the fact that he had two wifes in all of the three articles; so much is after all confirmed, even if we have no further information. --85.226.45.95 (talk) 13:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Death 1047?

She disappeared from the sources around 1047. Harald then remarried to Tora in 1048. This meant that Maria, if Tora's daughter, would have married her uncle. Bigamy was considered a much bigger sin than inbreeding. 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:345E:474F:DB4:D8DD (talk) 22:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Name change

This article has been the subject of non-discussed name changes. The name has changed from Kiev to Kiyv. I have reverted the change. This change took place without discussion. I do not have time for such a discussion, but that does not alter the fact. The ending "of Kiev" in this article does not stand for the name of the city of Kiyv. Instead, it stands for the old Kingdom of Kievan Rus. This are two different things, that must not be confused with each other. This article is about a royal person from the old Kievan Rus, therefore her name is spelled as Kiev. If you move her article, it means you must move ALL the articles of royalty from Kievan Rus, as well as the article "Kievan Rus" as well. Wikipedia has to be consistent. To make so many moves (hundreds?), you have to have a public Wikipedia discussion, since this is not a simple and uncontroversial move. Until Wikipedi rules that the article of Kievan Rus and all the articles and categories of Kievan Rus must change their name to the modern spelling of the city, then this article cannot legimitately be moved. If someone wish to move this article again, I encourage them to start such a discussion. I may suggest it starts at the discussion page of Kievan Rus, since this article takes its spelling from the article of Kievan Rus, not from the city. Thank you--Aciram (talk) 03:52, 2 April 2022 (UTC)