Talk:Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK)/GA1

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Reviewer: Llewee (talk · contribs) 17:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

This is a decent quality article. I will suggest a few pointers about how it could be improved. Pease use the  Done template or strikethrough to indicate that an issue has been dealt with. Add any questions or comments after each point.--Llewee (talk) 17:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

@Llewee Thank you very much for taking this on! I'll have a look at this over the weekend. Thanks Michaeldble (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

• "Following the 1918 general election,..." - Can you go further back in time? The labour party had a cooperation agreement with the liberals before the First World War which might be worth mentioning.

• "the largest party in the country" - probably clearer to say "parliament"

• For the first table's headings I would suggest changing the term "government" to something like "result" or "outcome". I think government could be mistaken for the government before the election.

• The early elections are cited to a now apparently defunct website called "election demon". Was this source published by any known person or organisation that might be reliable? If not are any alternative sources available?

• Some of the sources are not formatted correctly. Have a look through the Template:Cite Web, especially the examples section, for guidance on how citations should be structured.

• Governing agreements have taken place in the Welsh and Scottish parliaments in recent years which it might be useful to reference in the outcomes section(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-58272209, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-politics-36338192, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41526435, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-64560317).

I'll have a look to see if their are anymore issues once these have been dealt with.

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@Llewee

• "Following the 1918 general election,..." - Can you go further back in time? The labour party had a cooperation agreement with the liberals before the First World War which might be worth mentioning. I've added additional context on the formation of the party in the history section as well as a mention of the first few elections in the general election section. I could extend the pact with the Liberals if needed

• "the largest party in the country" - probably clearer to say "parliament" Done

• For the first table's headings I would suggest changing the term "government" to something like "result" or "outcome". I think government could be mistaken for the government before the election. Done

• The early elections are cited to a now apparently defunct website called "election demon". Was this source published by any known person or organisation that might be reliable? If not are any alternative sources available? This seemed to be one of the main sources used on other articles for 19th and 20th century elections but I'm not particularly sure how reliable it is. I've replaced it with some new sources anyway.

• Some of the sources are not formatted correctly. Have a look through the Template:Cite Web, especially the examples section, for guidance on how citations should be structured.

I think I've had a go at this but not too sure that I've corrected everything

• Governing agreements have taken place in the Welsh and Scottish parliaments in recent years which it might be useful to reference in the outcomes section(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-58272209, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-politics-36338192, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41526435, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-64560317).

I'd not heard of these agreements before but I'm not so sure that it would be relevant on here unless they were official coalitions. I can add these though depending on what you think.

Thanks Michaeldble (talk) 20:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Michaeldble Thank you for responding to my suggestions. You have dealt with some of the issues with the formatting of sources. However, page numbers should not be included in a title of a source. There are page and pages sections in the form for editing the reference. For instance formatting that looks like this:

{{Cite web |last=Sharp |first=Caroline |date=1 November 2002 |title=School Starting Age: European Policy and Recent Research |url=https://www.nfer.ac.uk/media/1318/44414.pdf#:~:text=The%20official%20school%20starting%20age%20in%20England%20and,of%20the%20year%20in%20which%20they%20become%20five. |page=3 }}

Results in:

Sharp, Caroline (1 November 2002). "School Starting Age: European Policy and Recent Research" (PDF). p. 3.

On the question of the agreements, the Bute House Agreement, which is the Scottish one, seems to be effectively a coalition in all but name with the minor party having ministers in the government so I think should be included. In the Welsh cases, agreements seem to be fairly common and probably come with the territory of minority governments, perhaps just add foot notes referencing them?--Llewee (talk) 16:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Llewee I've changed the format of those sources now. I've added the Bute House Agreement as a footnote in the table and I've added some info about the Plaid Cymru agreement to the Senedd section. Michaeldble (talk) 12:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Michaeldble I've done a number of spot checks on sources that seem to be fine. The article seems to be a bit unclear on what the introductions to the tables are for. The UK parliament table is introduced just with an overview of the Labour party's history. The devolved parliaments are introduced with background on the institution and a history of the labour party in them (with a lot more detail in Wales than in Scotland). The various institutions in England and EU elections are solely introduced with an explanation of what they are. Also, the SNP won't like the way their name is spelt in the Scottish parliament introduction.--Llewee (talk) 17:46, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Llewee Sorry, I'm slightly unclear with this reply.

In terms of the introductions to each section, I think it's best to summarise Labour's record in each election and explain the voting system which is used/any other relevant context. I can add some detail about First Past the Post to the general election part, extend the London mayoral election results and add more detail about the party's best/worst results in the European elections. Is this what you had in mind?

Thanks Michaeldble (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I bit more balance between the contents of each introduction would be good. Thank you for fixing the SNP's name.--Llewee (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

@Llewee I've extended the Scottish Parliament, London mayoral and European Parliament introduction sections now. Michaeldble (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Can anything additional be said about the other mayoral and London Assembly elections?--Llewee (talk) 23:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I've extended the London Assembly section further just now. I'm not too sure if there's anything else that could be added for the London mayoral or combined authorities section though Michaeldble (talk) 23:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I have put the article through the earwig Copyvio detector (see results here https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Electoral_history_of_the_Labour_Party_%28UK%29&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0). The only source their was any concern about was https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7529/CBP-7529.pdf#page=11 . I think it mainly picked up formal titles and phrasing which is fairly generic. However, you might want to look at rewording text to reduce crossover.--Llewee (talk) 00:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Llewee I think there was only one sentence that was using that source. I've changed it slightly now Michaeldble (talk) 20:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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   Could you add a few images (e.g of election campaigning)?--Llewee (talk) 21:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Llewee I've added three images to the article now Michaeldble (talk) 21:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Michaeldble, I wasn't really thinking pictures of individuals but rather posters, campaigning events and the like. Have a look through this category on the commons ([[1]]) and its sub categories for ideas.--Llewee (talk) 22:50, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

@Llewee I've added an election poster from 1918. Is one image okay? I couldn't find any other images apart from this one on the commons Michaeldble (talk) 23:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

I've added a couple of additional images to the devolved election sections. Feel free to take them out if your not keen on them.--Llewee (talk) 12:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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