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Tjanag should understand that in matters to do with usage he should defer to professional editors of many years' standing like me. The term and professional title is "athletic director," not "athletics director." No reader of American English would be confused by the former and take it to mean director with athletic ability. The Wikipedia article title is "Athletic director" and the persons at the constituent schools of the ESA call themselves "athletic director," including the "athletic director" at Choate whose appellation I quote. "Athletic director" is used journalistically far more often: Google News, February 24, "athletic director" 8,760 hits, "athletics director" 1,096 hits. "Athletic director" is used everywhere else far more often: Google search, February 24, "athletic director" 2,560,000 hits, "athletics director" 263,000 hits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Micheledene (talk • contribs) 04:37, 24 February 2010

Just as many people call themselves "athletics directors"—you can cherry-pick a few examples to support your side, but I could likewise cherry-pick director listings that use the other appelation. (Here's one off the top of my head.) For what it's worth, Google results with over 1000 hits are not reliable counts and are never a knock-down argument; and if you were going by Google counts, "director of athletics" has twice as many hits as "athletic director".

Either way, it's not a big enough deal to start a fight over, so if you insist on "athletic director" then I don't really care. But please be aware of the problems with your argument above, because if issues like this ever pop up again it is not the best argument to be making.

Also, please make an effort to spell peoples' usernames correctly when you address them. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 04:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I would agree with Micheldene that the common term in the United States is "athletic director" at both the high school and collegiate level. But I'm offended by Micheldene's suggestion that any Wikipedia editors should defer to "professional editors of many years' standing like me." Arguments on Wikipedia are settled with consensus, not with kow-towing to some other editor's supposed credentials. (Essjay, anyone?) On another note, WP:PEACOCK is an established guideline, Micheldene. Stating "foo is a leading school" is not as powerful as describing why it is a leading school. Cheers--BaronLarf 05:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I apologize for "Tjanag" instead of Rjanag. And Google counts are naturally suspect because they consult the mob. But mob or no mob, "athletic director" is the standard term in the profession. It's what they call themselves. @ Rjanag: the arrangement "director of athletics" is irrelevant because it requires the noun. Again, the issue here is somebody's tin ear. @ BaronLarf (good nickname): Thanks for the corroboration. But why are you in favor of professional editors (and presumably scholars in the subject) getting outvoted in usage and content controversies by, as you put it, "consensus." Consensus in the United States is that man and dinosaur were contemporary. The latest poll has a 60 percent "consensus" for that fiction. The Wikipedia crisis last year was about participation versus authority, and yes, they're mutually exclusive. Viz: the tin-eared thinking that "leading schools" is "peacock." Next week it'll be "racist," I suppose.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Micheledene (talk • contribs)

If you do not wish to contribute in a pace where "tin-eared" people rule, then don't. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 06:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not in favor or against the consensus standard; it's simply the way things get done around here. It's not perfect, but it's necessary in a beast like Wikipedia where there is no vetting of qualifications. (For instance, there was a large hullabaloo when a Wikipedia administrator faked his credentials to win arguments: see Essjay controversy) Consensus is merely a means of resolving disputes, not deciding what is fact. Information needs to be verifiable, backed up by reliable sources. Your example of saying that dinosaurs lived with men would not work under this model. Also, consensus does not equal voting. Consensus is supposed to be built based on the strength of arguments, not a poll of editors.

It might be useful to take a step back and realize that all this fighting is over the use of a single word... "leading." Most of your edits are still there. Is this level of righteous anger really necessary? Cheers, --BaronLarf 12:03, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Documents

The association has its "truth about boarding schools" document (I do not know where the source of the data is)

• http://boardingschools.com/media/6649/truth.swf

WhisperToMe (talk) 14:21, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

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