Talk:Education in South Korea/Archive 1

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Well, what do you think? I made this page all by myself

• How do make yourself credible for all the information in here? 64.72.115.242 01:39, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• It sucks! 65.72.115.242 01:40, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• This page is terrible! 66.72.115.242 01:41, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• You call this an article? 67.72.115.242 01:42, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• My dog could write something better! 69.72.115.242 01:43, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• I like it. Overall accurate, missing minor details here and there. Lokigoesrawr 10:21, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
• Well, as a starting point it's not that bad. I think most information is accurate. 61.74.236.202 02:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• I added a mention of the increasing presence of foreign teachers, discussion of controversial issues, and external links. I think the discussion of controversial issues needs to be cleaned up to be more through, professional, and to present the viewpoints of those who defend the system as it is. There should also be a discussion of Korean education throughout history.ThreeAnswers 10:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
• Well written!
• Several parts of this article come across as very strongly opinionated, which I believe violates Wiki standards.
• It's definitely not neutral. Also, the data needs updating, it keeps talking about the late 80s.
• The stuff about the new visa requirements won't last long when someone who cares more than i do finds it. Personally, i think it's fairly accurate (although written totally from the POV of an irritated Hakwon-gimp ;)), so i'll resist the urge to edit, and leave it to someone else.
• Overall it's allright. Some of the facts are incorrect and a lot of things seem to be very opiniated. Needs a cleenup.Euge246 (talk) 05:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• i realy don't know how to voice my opinion. but i do know that it does not give referances as to whare you get your information. if you realy want my opinion i say it needs improvement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.12.123 (talk) 22:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
• i can be sure that this needs more sources on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hawkey131 (talk • contribs) 21:35, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
• This article definitely isn't neutral. Also, in the criticisms section, someone pointed out that Korean education was criticized for instilling anti-Japanese sentiment. But the source given was a Japanese website. (Interesting that the Japanese education wiki page had no such criticism, even though I've heard it said about the Japanese education system even more.) Definitely biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.200.18 (talk) 18:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Very good article. Thankyou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.105.163.111 (talk) 05:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think some parts of this article are a little POV, specifically the part at the bottom where it says a failure's choices are "suicide" and "menial jobs". Although this is true, it has a negative tone to it. Overall, however, I am really impressed. There's a lot of good detail in here, and the article is a LOT more neutral than other South Korean pages I've read (try reading the "South Korea" article as an example of a bad page). On the whole, well done! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.240.61.2 (talk) 04:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, not bad in statistics, but my tortosie could write better in contents. Medium.The Hegemarch (talk)

I think this is an above average article, and relatively accurate, to boot. Granted, there's some POV issues, but when one person writes an article this extensive, that's bound to happen. Soon Wikipedians will turn their attention to it and collaborate and then we'll have a really helpful, quality article. This article was long overdue, and I commend your spearheading the effort.Vedek Wren (talk) 00:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

There is no 등 (deung).

If anyone is going to complain about the word level not being in the meaning of 중학교, it really doesn't have any deung in there. I should know; I lived in South Korea for more than 8 years. 68.72.115.242 01:47, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That's true. Actually, 중등학교 would mean "secondary school," including both middle and high schools. -- Visviva 13:54, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

First, I wouldn't cite the number of years I resided in a country as a qualification to analyze its education system. Second, Koreans themselves do, however, refer to the system in the following order: 초등학교 (fairly analogous to an elementary school in the US), 중학교 (middle school - NOT 중등학교), 고등학교 (high school). Although you might find the word 중등학교 in a dictionary, Koreans themselves rarely use it. 중등교육, however, is used to mean "secondary education." 초등교육 refers to primary (or elementary) education, and 고등교육 (not 고등학교) refers to "higher education," meaning education beyond high school. It's something of a linguistic anomaly that 고등학교 and 고등교육 refer to two different levels in the education system. Fbwls (talk) 06:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:Education infobox

I created a template, Template:Education infobox which can give a quick at a glance demographics table for education articles. See its implementation at Education in the United States and feel free to help improve the template.--naryathegreat | (talk) 01:00, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup tag

Please don't be offended 64-69.72.115.242, if you're still around, and I'll do my bit as soon as possible. Trachys 20:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I think there are some grammatical errors here and there...Rttrt 03:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

yeah... there are some grammatical errors. I'll try to fix some... by the way, I am sOOOO glad my parents didn't move [back] to Korea. I would die there. School from 6-12!!! *shiver* Istillcandream (talk) 05:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

NEED SOURCES

This article lacks a lot of sources compared to the length of information contained. L46kok (talk) 15:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

if you want an artical this long you have to give about 12 sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.12.123 (talk) 22:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Concurred.--Hawkey131 (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

to much information for just one or two sources.--Hawkey131 (talk) 16:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

POV?

In general, I'm getting the impression of a lot of negativity in this article regarding the Korean schooling system. While some degree of valid criticism is good, it seems like every section is saying that the system is ultimately flawed and needs reform whether it's the lack of jobs upon exiting, the stress imposed upon students, or the rote memorization in what is being taught. *shrug* But I am far from an expert on Korean schooling, so I am hesitant to edit, even to try to tone down the pejorative words, for fear that I will distort truth. -Fuzzy (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree. For example, I'm afraid the following statement can't be considered objective by any stretch of the imagination: "Meanwhile, those Korean students who are unable to get into a good university face few, even gruesome, options. They can either 1.) commit suicide, 2.) become unemployed and homeless, 3.) join the military, or 4.) settle for taking low-paying, menial jobs for survival." Despite the numerous, legitimate criticisms that can be made about the South Korean education system, I'd say this is a bit of an exaggeraton. Fbwls (talk) 05:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I second the objection to the list. Although I personally understand the level of value placed on university pedigree in South Korean culture, the list overly simplifies a complex subject, presents it unprofessionally, is clearly inflammatory and does not provide verifying sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.226.203 (talk) 18:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, this is definitely exaggeration. I went to one of the new elementary schools in Seoul, and I think there needs to be emphasis in stress on elementary and middle school is giving to their students. Watch the cane! The Hegemarch (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC).

Currently, the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology is in charge of the education.

Current ministry which in charge of the education is the Ministry of Education, Science, and Technology, not the Ministry of Education and Human Resources. It has changed since the inauguration of the president Lee Myung Bak. 125.152.9.67 (talk) 10:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Please consider editing.

Well, I'm a native South Korean, and I find this article fairly accurate. Although I think the education system in South Korea is unstable because of the increasing influences of hagwons(academies), corporal punishment, and the ineffective style of teaching, I think this article's neutrality is disputed and that this article is too negative about the entire system. You also have to mention that hagwons(academies) are growing and growing while the schools are shrinking and shrinking.The Hegemarch (talk) 12:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Please consider editing the follwing section.

As a native Korean, I find this section rather alarming. It portrays the Korean Education system in an excessively negtive light.Most of your article was well written. However, your simplistic 4 point list was highly offensive.

"Meanwhile, those Korean students who are unable to get into a good university face few, even gruesome, options. They can either 1.) commit suicide, 2.) become unemployed and homeless, 3.) join the military, or 4.) settle for taking low-paying, menial jobs for survival."

As a Korean student, I was never faced with "gruesome options" due to a low test grade. Education is an integral part of Korea, but not to the extreme extent to which you portray.

No, Korean students that do not get accepted to good colleges do not choose between "suicide, homelessness, the military, or minimum-wage jobs."

They wait for retakes or apply to a different college. The most revered college in South Korea accept a very low percent of the applicants, but no, the rejected do not commit mass suicide. My cousin applied for a college and wasn't accepted. He is still alive and well, and he was accepted at a different college.

The unaccepted also do not become homeless or unemployed, as you have stated, nor do peole join the military as a last resort.

They most certainly do not flip burgers for a living just because of one rejection.

One of the wealthiest man in Korea did not attend college because he lived in extreme poverty.

Those supposed "suicides" only occur in extreme cases, and there are very few cases.

If, indeed, that was true, I'm sure the population of South Korea would be much lower.

It is rude and incorrect to claim that Korea bases so harshly solely on education, and your four restricted "options" are atrociously exaggerated. Who would ever force those punishments on someone just because of their grades?

Another mistake I found was the years. Elementary school lasts from grade 1 to grade 6, not grade one to five.

Your article was very informative, and with the offensive material revised or removed, it would be a stronger piece.

As a current highschool sophomore that has experienced the education system of both the U.S. and South Korea, I can see the major differences. However, those exaggerations are unnecessary.

While it was a good article overall, certain sections of the articles seemed bitter towards the Korean education.

Please, contact me if you would like to further discuss this topic.

Sincerely, EnTaroTassadar (talk) 01:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC).

Removed the whole POV section

Removed this whole section

Unlike other systems where individual merit and achievements are a determinative factor in one's prospects for success, in South Korea, the main determinative factor for success is what university the person went to. A person's educational pedigree and credentials are far more important than other factors such as skills and personality. Hence, a Korean student who gets into a top notch university is likely set for life and is guaranteed a lifetime of fortunes and financial security. Meanwhile, those Korean students who are unable to get into a good university face few, even gruesome, options. They can either 1.) commit suicide, 2.) become unemployed and homeless, 3.) join the military, or 4.) settle for taking low-paying, menial jobs for survival. However, there are a few Koreans who opt to take the vocational route and become successful. The pressures to succeed academically in South Korea (where the university one attends is often determinative of one's success) contributes to the country's high depression and suicide rates. South Korea has the highest suicide rate in the OECD. Of Korean teenager deaths, suicide is the second most common cause, behind automobile collisions.

This should have been removed a long time ago, and it should stay removed unless it can be rewritten from a much more neutral POVChanhee920 (talk) 22:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

In fact the whole Post-secondary edication section needs rewriting...

Far too biased Chanhee920 (talk) 22:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This section should be rewritten or renamed. The entire section is on admissions into post-secondary education, but not actually on post-secondary education in South Korea. I was hoping to get information on the junior colleges and universities, not on the process leading up to admissions of these institutions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.23.99 (talk) 21:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

School Hours

im wasting time, wasting money again...-.- I've heard from several koreans that they have horrifically long school hours. Like literally 12 hours a day on weekdays and 6-8 hours a day on wekends... 49 weeks a year! Is this true? If it is then it should probably be added to the article.Htimsleinahtan (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

POV

Someone cited an opinion paper. I removed it because it was very subjective and had almost nothing to do with facts.

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/recordDetails.jsp?searchtype=keyword&pageSize=10&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=jambor&eric_displayStartCount=1&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=kw&_pageLabel=RecordDetails&objectId=0900019b804225cb&accno=ED507310&_nfls=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.182.216 (talk) 14:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Hogwons

Shouldn't there be a section on hogwon (hokwon) academy's in this article? . I think they come under korean education.Savre (talk) 10:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: well there is sort of a section but I it suck$ :P

you mean hAgwon, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.244.31.91 (talk) 16:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism or cyber crime -- US military involved?

See this edit, I don't know how to make it into an internal Wikipedia link, so bear with me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Education_in_South_Korea&diff=prev&oldid=547872902

User 132.3.45.83 did an edit which removed "Korean" from the subjects taught in elementary school in the section named "Elementary school*. Common sense would indicate that this edit was vandalism. However, I would prefer that a person familiar with the South Korean education system revise the edit to include "Korean" if it is actually included.

Strangely enough, the edit APPEARS to be made from a US military computer connection. It would appear that some follow up needs to be made. However, with all the cyber crime going on, this edit could have been made from some other country.--TGC55 (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:56, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Enrollment

In the info box, the enrollment total is 17? This doesn't seems to be a correct data here. --Codelyoko14 (talk) 23:35, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

New Editing

Hello! I've archived the old talk page here: /Archive 1. I've looked over the article, and I will be editing this article in the future. I think this article needs to be improved on these issues:

• A neutral point of view following WP:NPOV
• A better organization of the section
• Reliable, secondary sources to back up the information
• Separate articles on each sections if needed

Please help me fix the article, but remember to cite reliable sources following WP:RS. Leave a comment here or on my talk page if you have anything to say. Thanks! Kkj11210 (talk) 05:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Update: I've re-made the introductory paragraph and the sections for better organization. Kkj11210 (talk) 05:11, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Article Splitting Proposal

Hello! I was researching about the history of education in Korea when I realized that there was a lot of information on this issue. I think the total sum of information on this topic alone is notable and bulky enough for another article. Precedents are: History of education in the United States and History of education in England. Thus, I propose that this article be divided into two, one being this article and the other being the History of education in South Korea. Please state your comments below. If there are no objections, I will split the article in 7 days. Thanks! Kkj11210 (talk) 05:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I withdraw the proposal after the discussion on the WP:KOREA talk page. Content concerning education in South Korea will not be added to the article History of education in Korea. Thanks! -KJ ^{click here} 05:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Tertiary

The section on universities is woefully out of date. How many schools are there in the country now? The attendance rate is from way back when, and there is no mention of the current national governmetn plan to change the financing based on proposals from the schools, to such an extent that the schools not winning in the funding competition are expected to close. The govt. is supposed to announce decisions in June 20014 (the scores on the objective half of the evaluations has already been announced, with a proposal from Konyang University's CICS ranked highest). The actual structure and functioning of a typical school is not mentioned. It is a four-year program leading to a bachelor's degree as the first degree. Students select their major before entering a school; in fact, they apply to and are accepted (or rejected) by a department rather than a university. Thus, a university might be very strong in area, with a low ratio of acceptances to applicants but be so weak in another field that virtually anyone applying gets in.211.225.34.113 (talk) 04:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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What's with all the Question marks ????

Just do a browser search of `?`. However, starting in the `Primary education` section, and going all the way through the `References`, there are a bunch of question marks.

It seems like maybe they are placeholders for the Korean text, but some have the Korean text along with the Romanized text and the question marks.

Ciscorucinski (talk) 13:38, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Music

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Organization of Content

This article is disorganized around marginal issues and seems to meander around educational importance, which should be logically self evident. Education exists because it is important, and that is the self evident issue. I would submit a rewrite about Education in South Korea on the format of similar articles, and focus on the branches and structure, function and beliefs. Approaches that differ from other countries, and the reasoning.

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