Talk:Eduard Streltsov

Some thoughts

Per a nice little nudge, some comments on this nice little article...

• "who turned out" - not sure this would be worldwide understandable.
• Not convinced the significance of getting two votes for the Ballon D'or is worthy of being in the lead?
• "would allow him to participate in the World Cup" - odd logic, or odd expression of logic, without context. I know it's the lead so it need to be a summary but admitting rape allowing him to participate in the WC without explanation as to the fact that (I think) he's going to prison for a shorter sentence (?) so he can be out and fit and ready for the WC some years later...
• Now you can take this with a pinch of salt; the Early life section is fine, and better safe than sorry, but you've referenced every single clause - that's 12 uses of ref [1] in about as many sentences. Is this really required? It's a little bit off-putting....
• Birth month, June or July? Lead vs Early life vs Infobox...
• "..and following a footballing career spent exclusively with Spartak's rivals Torpedo..." - good, but seems a little odd in the early life section.
• Would prefer you link "first season" to the 1954 soviet season rather than just the year "1954" as that could be a touch misleading (ie people may think it leads to 1954).
• You could link hat-trick more specifically to Hat-trick#Association football, if you like....!
• "on the 15th" is this still April? Not clear, same for the following date. I'd prefer to see just full dates...
• Arguably you've overlinked Spartak, mind you I'm not that fussed.
• "to be the thirteenth-equal best player" reads poorly for me... can't suggest an alternative right now, but it feels like me saying "I was the eleventh-equal best poker player"... not that brilliant...
• No, you've def overlinked Spartak, I can see three links now...
• "10–0 victory away to Finland" - victory away against Finland?
• Same comment about over-referencing now applies for ref [4], but once again I can understand if you just say "forget it dude"..
• "either "I would never marry that monkey" or "I would rather be hanged than marry such a girl"..." - this could use a note to explain why two such different quotes could have been overheard.
• "Streltsov married a short time.." - who did he marry? May be worth making it clear (unless I missed something, Match of the Day has just started to be fair...)
• "would later say" - said later?
• " and allowed to return" - and was allowed? Just me perhaps..
• "trick away to Chile in December" - away against Chile?
• "studied at the Institute of Physical Culture" - what did he study?
• "to come from" - not sure you need "to come" here.
• If it was me, I may well pipe-link the Torpedo Stadium first rather than the renamed version...
• "Strelyets" prizes or Strelyets prizes?
• " Streltsov's conviction of rape posthumously overturned in order to clear Streltsov's name" clear "his" name?
• Posthumous award of his Olympic gold medal - this is mentioned in the table but (unless I missed it) not in the main body...
• Ref 14 could use a language tag.

That is, as they say, that. Very nice article. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

• • Cheers, all in there now. – Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 10:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eduard Streltsov/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Resolute 00:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• Images: Three fair use images showing nothing more than Streltsov's person is pushing it. I'm not going to concern myself with that too much, but the FU rationale is pretty weak when all three are being used simply to identify the individual. Only one image is required for this.
• References: 53 references to one article? That might be a record! The book sources should include page numbers for each reference rather than just pointing all to the book in general. I'm concerned about the RSSSF references. Some of the links credit their originating source, but others don't (3, 19, 20, 22) Given how prominently these sources are used, I would like to see some evidence that this site can be considered reliable.
• Specific:
  • Watch for redundancy. i.e.: "Streltsov was still 16 when he made his debut for Torpedo,[1] and appeared in every league game played by Torpedo during his first season with the club, 1954, scoring four goals.[2] Torpedo finished ninth in the league" - does Torpedo need to be mentioned three times in quick succession? There are several instances of this throughout.
• Note A in the awards section seems unnecessary, as his being posthumously awarded a gold medal is already explained in the article.

Overall, a pretty good article on a player from an era where good sources are no doubt difficult to find. I am placing this GAN on hold in the hopes that some of these potential issues can be remedied. Resolute 00:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

• Ta for the review.
  • I've deleted all the images but the top one.
  • References: RSSSF sources are usually acceptable on their own as reliable, see here for mainstream acceptance... as for the "book" references, I think you'll find that the references you are referring to actually refer to internet articles. References that do point to books are correctly filled in, giving page numbers and so on.
  • Redundancy reduced.
  • Note removed.
• Cheers. – Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 19:34, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me, and I'm satisfied with the link to RSSSF. As such, I'm passing the article. Regards, Resolute 21:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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