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King

Latest comment: 18 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion

There's actually almost no evidence that Edmund was King of Scots. If anything, he was his uncle Domnall's tanaiste (i.e. designated successor). - Calgacus 23:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

But shouldn't it at least be mentioned that many works still (incorrectly) call him king? Srnec 21:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Now it says that. Next to go, Margaret of Scotland as not-Queen. I wonder if I should add Olaf of Scotland, whose existence is as certain as that of Donald I of Scotland. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

How about Amlaib of Scotland? ;) Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Maybe, but I have my doubts as to the creation of the article, whatever it's called:

'''Amlaíb mac Iduilb''' (died 977) was [[King of Scots]] during the 970s.<ref>Duncan, pp. 21–22.</ref> He was the son of [[Indulf of Scotland|Idulb mac Causantín]] and brother of [[Culen of Scotland|Cuilén mac Iduilb]].

He is known from the notice of his death in the [[Annals of Tigernach]],<ref>AT977.4; see also CS s.a. 977, AClon s.a. 970.</ref> which reports that he was killed by [[Kenneth II of Scotland|Cináed mac Maíl Coluim]]. His name is not included in any extant king lists, nor is he named as a king in 973 when Cináed met with [[Edgar of England]] at [[Chester]],<ref>''ESSH'', pp. 478–479.</ref> so that the length of his reign is unknown.

Now, even with the refs (Duncan, Kingship; ESSH), and the external links (CELT and Cornell), and the Kingy template, and a see also or two, four sentences is a miserable stub indeed. As for the article naming, I am a slave to the MoS (ahem). Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

If Duncan is calling him King, then Amlaíb of Scotland can be an article. And what you quoted is not necessarily a stub. This is the same kinda info level we have for lots of kings, for instance it seems to be as much as for the "king" on the current page. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:59, 18 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Ancestry

Latest comment: 8 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hello, I have an idea to add his ancestry by using these sources:

Ancestors of Edmund of Scotland^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

16. Crinan, abbot of Dunkeld?

8. Crínán of Dunkeld^[6]^[9]

4. Duncan I of Scotland^[2]^[6]^[8]

18. Malcolm II of Scotland^[6]^[9]

9. Bethóc of Scotland^[6]^[9]

2. Malcolm III of Scotland^[2]^[4]^[6]^[7]

20. Bjorn Estridsen?

10. Siward, Earl of Northumbria?^[9]

5. Suthen^[9] (b. as Sybilla?)

11. Ælfflæd or Godgifu?

1. Edmund of Scotland^[1]^[2]^[4]^[5]

24. Æthelred II the Unready^[2]^[10]

12. Edmund II Ironside^[2]^[10]

25. Ælfgifu of York^[10]

6. Edward the Exile^[2]^[6]^[10]

26. Aelfthryth?^[11]

13. Ealdgyth^[2]^[10]

3. Saint Margaret of Scotland^[2]^[4]^[6]^[7]

7. Agatha^[2]^[6]^[10]

Sources:

Bernard Burke, Ashworth P. Burke. A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage. 1934
Oram, Richard; David: The King Who Made Scotland, (Gloucestershire, 2004).
Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall. Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700: Lineages from Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Other Historical Individuals 2008. ISBN 0806317523, ISBN 9780806317526

Additional sources:

Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTLAND.htm; England, anglo-saxon & danish kings https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20AngloSaxon%20&%20Danish%20Kings.htm
Leo van de Pas Genealogics – 2003 www.genealogics.org

References

^ ^a ^b A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 47–48
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j Oram, David, p. 10 Cite error: The named reference "<ref2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ F. Weis, W. Sheppard, W. Beall, K. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 161–162
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings and England, anglo-saxon and danish Kings
^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 162
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47
^ ^a ^b Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162
^ Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 161–162
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 2. Cite error: The named reference "<ref6" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
^ L. v. de Pas Genealogics

Dmitry Azikov (talk) 01:48, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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[<ref-1] A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, pp 47–48

[<ref2-2] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h ⁱ ^j Oram, David, p. 10 Cite error: The named reference "<ref2" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

[3] F. Weis, W. Sheppard, W. Beall, K. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 161–162

[<ref7-4] Foundation of medieval genealogy: Scotland, kings and England, anglo-saxon and danish Kings

[5] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 162

[<ref3-6] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g ^h A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage and Baronetage, the Privy Council, Knightage, and Companionage, p. 47

[<ref4-7] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 2, 162

[8] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, pp 161–162

[<ref5-9] Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 161

[<ref6-10] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f Frederick Lewis Weis, Walter Lee Sheppard, William Ryland Beall, Kaleen E. Beall, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700, p. 2. Cite error: The named reference "<ref6" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

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