Talk:Eddy de Neve

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As regards the above photo request, there is one on the Dutch Wikipedia. If I'm reading the licensing info there correctly, it's now in the public domain, so I think it can simply be copied across.--217.44.211.173 13:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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disputed section re:death

The last paragraph may not be consistent with facts. It appears that Eddy de Neve had at least two children, one from a second marriage, and it also appears he died in the UK in 1951, not in a concentration camp.

• In 1912, Edward C A De Neve married Clara Ellen Peart.
• Clara Neeltje Sarah de Neve, daughter of Edward Karel Alexander de Neve (occupation: sugar factory manager) and Clara Ellen de Neve, born in 1913 in baptised in Norwich. She lived until 1984, so this detail about him hearing about the death of his only child appears to be incorrect.
• 1951: Death registration: Edward K A De Neve estimated birth year of 1884, died in December 1951 in Basford, Nottinghamshire, England.
• There was also a "Karel W A De Neve" born in 1950 in Leicester to Alexander William Thomas De Neve, (1917–1974), who seems likely to have been a son. He was married in Basford in 1948.

This seems to be an extraordinary coincidence if this is not the same person, and it seems unlikely that he died in the early 1940s. I suppose it could be a cousin but the age at death fits with him. How we know he died in this camp, and he was not mixed up with someone else? —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:06, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

The later part of this re: Karel W A de Neve is certainly true - he resides in Nova Scotia and I am his son. All previously stated names are correct re: linage

If the footballer is indeed the man who settled in Nottingham, then it would put him in the position of writing and publishing his memoir King Football as an expatriate Dutchman. Wonder if there were any reports of him at time he published?.Cloptonson (talk) 12:17, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

• I think you may be mixing him up with another person. There was indeed another Eduard Karel Alexander de Neve born 08-05-1884 in Steenbergen, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands. See [1] --Maarten1963 (talk) 21:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Two lines of enquiry that might help us establish their respective identity; did the man who died in Nottinghamshire in 1951 have a published obituary in Nottinghamshire newspapers? (Someone in wikiproject Nottinghamshire might help.) Does Holland have its equivalent of our Commonwealth War Graves Commission that lists Dutch people who died in WWII - the one who died in Japanese internment might have a record that indicates his familial links.Cloptonson (talk) 20:23, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I might have solved the issue. I discovered the official Dutch War Graves commemorations site on the article on Piet Tekelenburg. My google search for Eduard Karel Alexander de Neve brought up one man of these full names whose life dates were given as 1 January 1885 to 30 August 1943, he was given as a serviceman of the Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (KNIL) his rank abbreviated in the vernacular as 'App. Elt.' [can someone translate please?], on this link:

https://www.oorlogsgravenstichting.nl/persoon/109570/eduard-karel-alexander-de-neve

This may well technically rule out the man who died in Nottingham as being the player although the proximity in birth year and name may be close and unlike its equivalent our CWGC the Dutch agency does not give relative names of parents or spouses on its entries.Cloptonson (talk) 20:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Disputed section 2 - son's death

I have just looked up the CWGC for record of any Dutch RAF airman called Gilles de Neve. All I found is this:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2361156/GILLES%20PIETER%20CORNELIS%20DE%20NEVE/

However although he was no doubt Dutch and his burial place at Hawkinge Cemetery suits his possibly being killed on duty in Kent, it does not fit the narrative of this article because he died in 1944 not 1941 and the family details show a mother (named as Daisy Maud) and wife Aimee (then living at Hampstead, London) but NO father, who I suspect was by then dead or divorced from the mother. His stated death age indicates a birth year of 1915 or 1916. I would also be suspicious of Eddy's son being called Gilles jnr because the usage is normally applied to namesakes of a father rather than an uncle. This possibly rules him out as being the son of either the man who died in 1943 (who would not have seen notification of this airman's death) or the one who died in 1951.Cloptonson (talk) 12:59, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

This file confirms the RAF airman was the son of Eddy de Neve born 1 or 2 January 1885 (not 1882)[2]. De Neve died before his son. The problem seems to be the source used. [3] Cattivi (talk) 21:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, have read the first source. In light of this I can delete the anachronistic reference to the father being notified of his son's death.Cloptonson (talk) 12:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

And thanks from me too for looking into this. --Maarten1963 (talk) 16:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)