Talk:E Company, 506th Infantry Regiment (United States)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Complete/Accurate list of members

Please check out http://www.easy506th.org/companyE.php for a much more complete list of members. I haven't found much yet to show ranking information, but at the very least, the large majority of members of Easy that aren't in the wiki article should be added. Kythri 18:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

List of Deaths

I have a list of all the members in Easy Company who died during the war...but is that appropriate to put in? If it isn't appropriate I'll just leave it at that. SlowTrainComin'

I think it would be very appropriate, actually, as long as it is from an accurate and verifiable source.Michael Dorosh^Talk 01:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

My source is from a World War II Magazine special issue on Band of Brothers. It has a total of 49 men listed as being killed in the war with the date of their deaths and the general location of their deaths (for example, Normandy or Holland). SlowTrainComin'

How about just a link to the source? It seems like adding a complete list would add unnecessary details for what should be a basic overview.Wangfoo 03:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't Ambrose's book list deaths at the end of each section?

in fiction

in the movie "saving private ryan", ryan states that he is a member of 506's easy company.

Link changed, new link is http://www.easy506th.org/companye.php Kythri 08:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Ryan said he was part of the 506 but not E Company RyanLupin (^talk/_contribs) 12:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

In the movie Ryan states he's with the 1st (FIRST) of the 506th--kvhuff 00:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kvhuff (talk • contribs) 00:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

...And Easy Company is in 2nd Battalion. {{ÇɧĭДfrĪĔпd12}} 01:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Presidential Unit Citation

According to "Band of Brothers", Members of E Company were given a Presidential Unit Citation after they fought in Normandy; are there further sources to that claim? If so, was it awarded on Company level, or on another? If so, was it related to the Brécourt Manor Assault in particular, or rather to their overall performance? -- 790 (talk) 11:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

ranks of soldiers

many of the soldiers listed ended their military career with a different rank thats listed here. 98.196.78.26 (talk) 05:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

List

Is it realistic to have a complete list ? With deaths/replacements, youre talking hundreds of men. Perhaps it should be the more noted soldiers? Remember, wikipedia is not supposed to be a list. user:Pzg Ratzinger

Perhaps you're correct. In that case, then, the existing list should distinguish that fact, perhaps with a link to a more complete list. Kythri 08:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not believe that the list of names in this article is appropriate. Whilst it is interesting, it is not within the scope of Wikipedia. I am sure that if people are interested in obtaining the names of those that served in this unit, that they could contact the relevant US Government department for this information. Additionally - and this is a side point - by including the names on this page, it basically elevates this unit above others, as if simply serving in E Coy, 2/506 PIR makes a soldier's service more valuable than any others. For example, would any one feel that it was necessary to put on Wikipedia a list of all those that served in a logistics unit or do we include the names of everyone that served on a particular ship? Although I might be wrong, I'd say that it is unlikely, and yet these units and those that serve in them also had an important role to play in bringing about an end to WWII. That is just my opinion, but I think that if there is concensus, the list should be removed. A list of notable members might be appropriate, though. AustralianRupert (talk) 05:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Agree: The list needs to be removed. Anotherclown (talk) 00:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

D day photo

There is a photo on the Ike page showing him addressing Easy co prior to D day This would make a nice addtion to this page - espacilly if the people in it could be identified —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.239.134.236 (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The photo you mention shows Eisenhower meeting US Co. E, 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment (Strike) at Greenham Common Airfield. Not 506th PIR. LittleWink (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Commander between Winters and Heyliger?

In the Ambrose book he says:

"Winters' replacement as Easy Company commander failed to measure up. He came in from another battalion. Pvt. Ralph Stafford was scathing in his description: "He really screwed up. He not only didn't know what to do, he didn't care to learn. He stayed in bed, made no inspections and sent for more plums."

He was shortly relieved." - p.154

AND:

"With Winters' replacement gone, 1st Lt. Fred "Moose" Heyliger took over the company." - p.157

Who is this guy between Winters and Heyliger?

Was there a seventh Easy C.O., or is this just another Ambrose FUBAR?

> Best O Fortuna (talk) 09:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Arnhem, Holland

This section has very little content about Easy Company and reads more as a snipe against the operation and Montgomery. For example the sentences about pre-war Dutch planning is a bit obscure and are there just to criticise Montgomery. Surely they ignore the success of the airborne divisions and Easy Company on D-Day and the change in thinking that was brought about.

This section should stick to detailing Easy Company's role, as the other section do, rather than just criticise the operation with one sided opinions. There's plenty of room for discussing the issues of Market Garden on its own wiki page.

What did Easy company do? Did they incur many casualties that would make them resent their role in the Allied operation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.102.214.6 (talk) 13:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Patrick Sweeny?

Shouldn't it be stated in this article that 1st Lieutenant Patrick Sweeny Replaced Herbert Sobel as E company C.O. and that Lt. Meehan was not Sobel's immediate successor. I know that Sweeny served for a small period of time but it's not like it did not happen, anyone agree? Cheers!--Martin (talk) 03:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Veterans

I credit who ever took a lot of time compiling these veterans, great job! On the contrary, there were 469 members of Easy Company. All of whom can be viewed in Marcus Brotherton's book, We Who Are Alive and Remain: Untold stories from the Band of Brothers, on pp.277-280. I believe that all the veterans should go on the list.--Nick Ornstein (talk) 18:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Nicknames

I'm bothered by the nicknames we've included on some of the members of this unit, right up there in the beginning of each article. "Dick" is fine for Winters, and amply sourced. Same for Babe Heffron. But is there really sufficient justification for "Black Swan" for Sobel? And even if there is, do we have to put it in the very beginning of the article? Same goes for "sparky" and "killer" for Ronald Speirs and for "foxhole Norman" for Dike. Enlisted personnel bestowed these nicknames on officers they liked and didn't like. It's OK to make reference to the "foxhole Norman" insult, since it is mentioned in the books, but I really don't think it should be put in his name at the very top of the article. That slants the articles and is not fair to these men.MajorStovall (talk) 20:10, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the nicknames from this article and the individual articles, as it is not Wikipedia style to put nicknames in the first reference to military personnel. I realize, we've all seen the miniseries, so these guys all seem like our buddies. But they're not. This is an encyclopedia, and we have to treat them with the proper respect. These are either fallen heroes or grandfathers, and nicknames are only used in wiki articles on mobsters. Some of these nicknames were derogatory and demeaning, such as the ones for Dike and Sobel, while others were unnecessary/obvious ("Joe" and "Chuck") and the rest are mentioned in the infoboxes. MajorStovall (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree with and support your deletion. I actually started doing it myself yesterday, realised I'd deleted the wrong part in some instances (ie. the nickname in the image filename of all things!) and gave up. Good call. Ranger Steve (talk) 17:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I just noticed you did exactly what I did (which is why after I previewed I just gave up and then went out)! I've fixed the image link. Ranger Steve (talk) 17:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Sorry about that. But I'm glad you fixed. MajorStovall (talk) 17:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge to 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment

No. Easy Company is one of the most widely known military companies to date. It definitely deserves its own article. RyanLupin (^talk/_contribs) 12:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed it is. Easy Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th PIR is probably equal to or more notable than the 506th PIR in general. But if it does get merged I think it should merge with Band of Brothers, because more people know of Easy via Band of Brothers rather than the 506th PIR. ÇɧĭДfrĪĔпd12 00:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed: it certainly merits its own article. As there has been no argument for the past several months, I am removing the tags. --Bossi (talk • gallery • contrib) 22:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I realize it's been years since the issue has been "settled" to the satisfaction of those above, but it seems silly to me to have a separate article concerning one single company. Maybe most people see the words "fame" and "notability" as synonyms, but I don't. So unless there is some grand Wikipedian vision that in ten years every company of every regiment in every army will have its own detailed article, this one should go, too.172.190.116.12 (talk) 02:16, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I would disagree. Until Band of Brothers becomes "just another war movie" and people stop looking for information on Easy Company, it should continue to have it's own article. Once people are no longer looking for it, then the article could go away. Right now, you could mention "Easy Company" in conversation and people would know you were talking about E/2/506 and nothing else. --Habap (talk) 14:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't really care either way, but your reasoning seems to me to be a good reason to not have a separate article. If you can foresee a time when the article will be unnecessary, isn't it really unnecessary now? If the subject's notability is that susceptible to the whims of popular culture or conversation, it probably doesn't merit its own article. Just my two cents; I'm not going to remove or merge or anything else.--172.191.53.21 (talk) 18:48, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I would disagree. There are people and things that are notable now that no one will care about in 5 years and plenty that will not be notable in 20 years. For example, will anyone care in 2020 who Richard Hatch was? One-hit wonder, Secret Weapon has an article now, but should it have one in 2022, when the 24th-ranked song from 1982 hasn't been listened to by anyone in a decade? I think notability can wax and wane. I could be wrong, of course. --Habap (talk) 15:13, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I guess we just have different ideas of what Wikipedia should be and, on some level, we're probably both right. Personally, I don't think Wikipedia should waste its own time with articles on people like Richard Hatch at all. Not in 2020. Not now. True notability shouldn't be based on the likelihood of something or someone coming up in conversation. We overvalue popular culture and we overvalue the present. Stepping down off the soapbox now...--172.191.33.202 (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation

This article seems to have an inordinately long title. Is the modifier "United States" really necessary for disambiguation? Is there any other article titled E Company, 506th Infantry Regiment? I find that highly doubtful. If the modifier is not required, and is unnecessary, I would argue that a page move is in order. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 14:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I shall be keeping the full list on my user page because though it does not fit the guidelines of Wikipedia, yet I feel it should be maintained. Vbooy57 (talk) 23:43, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Battalion

Which battalion was this unit in – I assume the 506 had more than one battalion?

Also if there was more than one Battalion did they all were a white spade on the helmet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.1.143 (talk) 18:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

E company was one of nine companies in the 506th PIR. These nine were organised into 3 battalions, so A, B and C were in 1st Battalion, D, E and F were in 2nd Battalion, and G, H and I were in 3rd Battalion. At least that's what I've always assumed. 506th was a regiment, or the equivalent of a brigade in the UK. The spade symbol was an identifier for the entire 506th, so each battalion wore it. Regards, Ranger Steve (talk) 19:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - I assumed it worked that way - but I also assumed the spades when red, white, blue. 50% right I guess —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.1.143 (talk) 19:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

They used "tick" marks on the helmet to indicate which battalion. A little dash to the left, right or above (?) the spade indicated your battalion. --Habap (talk) 20:53, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

E Coy after the war

The article mentions that E Coy was re-raised in 1954 as a training unit, however, that is all it says. What is this unit's post WWII history? Does it still exist? Can anyone help with this? AustralianRupert (talk) 05:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

What's "Coy"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.64.160 (talk) 08:38, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

1st Sgt. Talbert

According to his article Floyd Talbert was born in 1923 and served from 1942 to 1945 and ended with the rank of First Sergeant. So, he made it all the way to E-8 at the age of 22 and after three years service. It's such an amazing feat. Though, from other articles I've seen it seems it wasn't uncommon for the men of WWII to quickly move up the ranks after 2-3 years. However, it's amazing that someone who is about a decade younger than most Master/First Sergeants make it that far. How did one make so far up the chain in such little time and at such a young age? I've also found other men in the company who were my age (21) or younger who made it to sergeant or higher. Today, most people my age would still just be a PFC or Specialist. --71.214.245.4 (talk) 19:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the "E" system of Army pay grades didn't come into use until 1951. From 1942 until 1951 the ranks of master sergeant and first sergeant were "first grade". Technical sergeant was second grade, staff sergeant and technician 3rd grade were third grade, and so on down to the lowest private (no insignia), which was seventh grade. NCOs during WWII were promoted and positioned according to their ability and the needs of the unit. It had nothing, or extremely little, to do with time in service. It was all determined by the regiment's C.O. In fact, Army policy in those days was that if any enlisted man (private, corporal, sergeant, technician) transferred into a different regiment, he became a seventh grade, bottom-of-the-barrel private, regardless of his rank in his former regiment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.64.160 (talk) 08:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Lewis Nixon not included

I am assuming this is just an oversight, as Nixon was with Easy Co and served in the same places the rest of the Company did and the 506th for quite a while. Why he isn't listed here makes no sense to me. Anybody?

50.135.92.66 (talk) 08:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Without re-reading Band of Brothers (Ambrose), I'd say it's likely because he spent most of his time on the regimental and battalion staffs. If you're basing your comment on the TV series, beware of screenwriters.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 12:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

It's true that Nixon was on battalion, then regiment staff, but he did start his career as an officer at the company level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.82.64.144 (talk) 13:59, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Capt H SOBEL seen on film

I am English and have been watching 'The World at War', a British TV Series from 1973. It is in 26 parts/episodes; in Part 15 of 26, called 'Home Fires', I am sure I saw a sequence which showed a film shot of Captain Herbert Sobel full face in amongst other soldiers being spoken to by Churchill. This sequence is shown after black American Soldiers are seen marching down a street in England and Americans in a dance hall. It is followed by Churchill watching an American parachute jump. It is about two thirds of the way through the episode. I am not an expert on this man and the only picture I have seen of him is in the book 'Band of Brothers' by Stephen Ambrose, but if this is not Sobel I would be surprised. I note from the book that Churchill and Eisenhower inspected Easy Company in March of 1944. There is a photo of that in the book as well.

Thought someone should know, so that they can look into it, if they have not investigated this before.

Another thought, if Sobel had remained in command in 1944 and not replaced, he would be dead as of the 6th June 1944. Look what happens to his replacement, 1st Lt Thomas Meehan.

(I also put this under Capt Sobel talk page)

B Davis. England — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.123.49.232 (talk) 15:33, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Names of all soldiers

I took it upon myself recently to add the names of all the soldiers who served in Easy Company, both those depicted in the series and those who were not depicted in the series. Just because a soldier was not depicted in the series did not mean he did not play a role in the real Easy Company. When I did that, I was informed that the names were deleted because they did not meet Wikipedia's guidelines, as Wikipedia argues that only a select few names should be included. I, however, believe that all the men of Easy Company should be included because they all played a role in winning the war. Is it possible to add all the names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.143.240.164 (talk • contribs)

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Should this article list all the soldiers of E Company, including non-notable ones? Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Survey

• No, because we have a guideline at WP:LISTPEOPLE which instructs us that lists should typically contain only notable names. The exceptions might be that the person is famous for only one event, but most of the soldiers in E Company were not famous, not even for the one event of storming Normandy. Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
• No; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a database. WP:LISTPEOPLE exists for a reason, and if we allowed "list everyone" as a principle it would double the size of Wikipedia. I'm not sure you appreciate what the implications of "all the men should be included because they all played a role in winning the war" are, in a conflict involving 50,000,000 combatants. ‑ Iridescent 07:31, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
• No, because none of the members meets the standards of WP:SOLDIER. Their notoriety is based on their being portrayed in a TV series.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 18:26, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
• No - per the reasons listed above by others, and Wikipedia is not a memorial per WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Anotherclown (talk) 23:31, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
• No - as per reasons cited above. Zawed (talk) 05:02, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
• No Neutral, leaning Support not only WP:LISTPEOPLE but listing all the names serves no purpose in the article for informing the reader besides being a complete list, but not quite no purpose to Wikipedia. While each soldier is an absolutely essential part of a unit (we hope,) there is no narrative reason to include every name here, at least not in a list format as above. Aside: The "Men of Easy Company" link in External Links is broken / domain shut down (and I tried handling that but have never tried fixing a broken external site reference, only various cite templates.) That website has a list of names of the company (though not ranks.) What I'm failing to see is why each and every E Co. soldier list entry has their own individual page? I find it really hard to believe that each of them, on their own merits, deserves an encyclopedia entry. But as long as that is the case... then it makes sense to at minimum have a separate List article, and it makes no sense to have a List article if this article is as small as it is. If all these soldiers are found notable enough to have their own articles, then it makes complete sense to collect them all either here or at a separate List. Changed opinion: If the question is, "Should all 366 E. Co. Band of Brothers soldiers be listed?" the answer is not really. Only the blue links that would thus be prima facie notable. LaughingVulcan ^{Grok Page!} 13:59, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
• No. Include those that have articles because of their inclusion in the famous book/TV show, and (if any exist) those that could have an article based on the book/show but don't yet as determined by consensus. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
• No - Summoned by bot. I can see the appeal, but lists like this are generally restricted to people that are notable enough to have their own article. A long list of non-notable people's names is not encyclopedic and doesn't really add anything to the article. Fyddlestix (talk) 04:35, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
• No Of course not. It serves no useful purpose to list something like 366 people, most of whom are non-notable. Of course, the actually notable members of the company should be listed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:51, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
• No Per cullen328. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:27, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
• Of course not - this is a violation of the very meaning of what we do. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
• No per WP:LISTPEOPLE and WP:SOLDIER. If there is an external link that lists the names, I think the link could be citred or included in the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CuriousMind01 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
• No. Summoned by bot. No, obviously not. It would be an immense list, and would include, as suggested by the question, non-notable people. Coretheapple (talk) 14:29, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

• The long-term problem is that the soldiers are not notable enough to have pages. Their inclusion on Wikipedia is based almost solely on the HBO series. Richard Winters probably comes the closest to rating a page under WP:SOLDIER and he doesn't. (I'm not including Robert Sink in this assessment because he was never a member of E Company.) Winters' page wasn't created until November 2004, three years after the series first aired; he certainly didn't gain a page because of the book. I tagged Thomas Meehan III for deletion back in 2014 and was told that he was notable because he was portrayed on TV. List of Easy Company (506 PIR) veterans is another issue; it's a list of men who don't qualify and at some point was re-oriented to including only the living. It's a page designed to achieve a length of zero.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 14:33, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't argue the point that they're not notable enough. (Again, it surprised me that this many have pages.) But if you've been told in one case at AfD that the one is notable enough to have an article right now.... then the one is considered notable right now. That's the wider community at work over essays, sorry, and WP:SOLDIER does appear to be an essay and not a guideline. Appeal that deletion, get the rest deleted, then pull them from the list here in bulk or one by one. As to list mentioned, that's not what this RfC is about, is it relevant? But thanks for your comment, as I'm changing my opinion over above. LaughingVulcan ^{Grok Page!} 21:54, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

• Snow close as no, anyone? (Add - forgot to sign, sorry!) LaughingVulcan ^{Grok Page!} 05:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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Living Easy Company members

I would agree with keeping the list of the few living members, I find it interesting to see how many are still with us. Provided the list is kept up to date. Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 22:06, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Easy Company (506 PIR) veterans. Deleting the previous list was discussed over a one-week period this past February. There are several reason for not listing then men. First, none of them are notable under WP:SOLDIER, an essay used by the military history group; it's not enforceable, but it's commonly used. Second, we have no absolute certainty that the men are alive; for example, I think Leo Matz, who became a Catholic priest after the War, died several years ago but I didn't remove him from the list at the time because I couldn't prove the connection. Third, something like thirteen million Americans served in WW II but we only know these men's names because they were featured in a fictionalized story of their unit's history on television.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Also, please see #Names of all soldiers, above.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:15, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I have read the previous discussions, but do not agree with all of it. E Company is of interest to many people, I think far more than any other company in the US Army, and not just because of the book or the film. They are certainly more important than the actors in the film who get a high profile in wikipedia. These men are all now in their 90's, if they make it to 100, which hopefully, they all will, then they will become more notable. I do not see why such a small list, cannot be left to naturally get shorter over time. Are you saying that if there was only one man left, you would want to remove his name ? probably not, so what if there were only 2 or three or five ? The list of short now, leave it be. It is a way of honouring all the E company men and men of the 506th. Ânes-pur-sàng (talk) 09:18, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with the new suggestion, and stand by the old decision, which was a very strong consensus against having these names. Getting older doesn't automatically make the men more notable, but getting written up in the media might put a few more names into the article. Keep an eye out for news items about these guys if you want to add names. Binksternet (talk) 15:26, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Why aren't the last surviving members mentioned here? I get that the list was deleted, but WHY remove all the info. 79.116.236.27 (talk) 19:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Because they're not notable, individually or as a group.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:31, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

I get that for not having a fork, but the last living ones are not even notable to get a passing mention like "x were still alive in 2017"? 79.116.236.27 (talk) 05:37, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Meehan

Thomas Meehan III was judged by the community to be non-notable. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Meehan III. The headline in the article reads "Notable personnel."--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 22:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Anyone know why Norman Dike's page was deleted/removed?

As topic suggests I was just wondering why this article disappeared?

It's still mirrored on other sites, and his fathers Wiki article remains. I just found it strange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chronicler87 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Non-notable: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman Dike--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 23:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

I've looked at the Wikipedia guidelines on notability and I just don't understand this. Who decides who is notable? There are tons of articles of lesser known people. Chronicler87 (talk) 00:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

All the names, revisiting the issue

How can it be justified that certain members of Easy Company are not included because they are not "notable people". Isn't the whole point of Wikipedia to provide information on subjects, not just to pander to popularity. Even if using this reason as a templete to include members, surely those members who are included in the various books and the miniseries should be warranted a space on the list of members. Why delete half of an articles information because it doesn't "pull in the numbers"? Information is information, and it contributes to knowledge and education, so to me, this defeats the purpose of what Wikipedia is. --KaylaRoe (talk) 22:32, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

KaylaRoe, the policy at Wikipedia is to avoid becoming an indiscriminate collection of facts. It's not enough that a piece of information is verifiable; it also must be considered important to the reader. Otherwise I would have a Wikipedia biography, and so would you and everyone you know. The guideline at WP:LISTPEOPLE talks about how each list entry should be a notable person. Binksternet (talk) 03:53, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

May I ask how you came to determine that the members who were featured in the miniseries do not qualify as notable? And why pages of certain said members, for example: Eugene Roe and Denver Randleman, have been deleted? I understand that not every person who was a member can be included, but surely the key members of this company ARE considered important, and notable. --KaylaRoe (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:37, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

We discuss the issues. For example:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James Alley

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gordon Carson

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Lesniewski

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert Sobel (pending)

--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 01:15, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

BTW, it's important to distinguish between the men in E Company and the characters created with the same names by the screenwriters.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 01:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Gaarmyvet, Thank you for the links, it is interesting and clarifying to see the reasons put forward for the deletion of articles.

I do not quite understand your last point though. There were, of course, within the series (for the purpose of fitting the experiences of over 400 men into a workable number of main characters) many of those experiences placed onto a few men. This is artistic license. But this page is about the real Easy Company, not the series. Of course, the series awakens an interest in Easy Company etc., people want to find out more about the real men featured, the first place people search is Wikipedia.....but they find nothing. Is this not an injustice to these men who gave up so much, to just be discarded and not afforded an explanation of their actual biographies, or at the very least a mention in the list of members? --KaylaRoe (talk)

It is not an injustice to not have a page for a person who is not notable. Wikipedia is not a fan site. There is a Band of Brothers Wiki on Wikia that's not bad (compared to the average Wikia community). Medics like Eugene Roe were not unique. The fact that Roe and others were members of an infantry company that attracted the attention of a history professor doesn't change the basics; millions of other men (and women) served in World War II and their lives may actually be much more notable than those of the members of E Company. That's why we have a rule about notability not being inherited.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 13:59, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Can you just explain this notability issue for me though? Because I have looked at the Wikipedia notability pages and don't understand it. I mean Band of Brothers did at least make these men notable? How much extra data is it for Wikipedia to maintain these pages? There are tons of pages of people that no-one ever heard of. Journalists especially. Wikipedia has a lot of movie productions, and even lesser actors in most productions have their own pages. At least Norman Dike was a commissioned officer and his page has been removed. I am just wondering about the process also, are you the one doing all this GeorgiaVet on your own? What's the basis for these decisions? Chronicler87 (talk) 16:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Notability is not inherited. As far as military notability, see WP:SOLDIER, which can be thought of as a "subset" of WP:GNG. Am I "doing all this?" I have nominated many pages for deletion, but am not an administrator and can not delete any page; pages are deleted by an administrator only after the community discusses the nomination and achieves concurrence. To participate in the process, put a watch/follow Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Military; there are some spirited discussions and input is always appreciated. Separately, if you find pages you think should be deleted (e.g.: journalists), nominate them after reading the guidance. I did a fair amount of the work on Norman Dike and even though he was much more the simplistic cartoon in the mini-series, I nominated the page for deletion because it would have been unfair of me to reserve that page as if I owned it. Regards, Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 16:58, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Just asking again since one thing was not clear to me

I was just wondering if now Dike is not "notable" and thus should not have a page, why do so many others in E Company that were even less notable still have their own pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chronicler87 (talk • contribs) 12:14, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Others still have pages for a variety of reasons. In many cases, a nomination had no consensus (see Walter Gordon (veteran), Robert B. Brewer, and others). In others the result was "Keep" (see Donald Malarkey). Others were never nominated because they had post-War notability.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 18:27, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm still not clear how you see these votes? Or how one even finds out when and if they are taking place? Chronicler87 (talk) 06:50, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

To know the current discussions (strictly speaking, they're not "votes") about military pages, you need to watch Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Military. To see closed discussions, if any, about existing articles, see the articles' talk pages and follow the links. Closed discussions of deleted articles are a little harder to find as, as far as I can tell, they don't have categories. You can try searching for the page name to see if "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/<page name>" pops up in the results; you can also search the deletion log.--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 14:39, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in E Company, 506th Infantry Regiment (United States)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of E Company, 506th Infantry Regiment (United States)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Band":

• From Richard Winters: Ambrose, Stephen E. (1992). Band of Brothers: Easy Company, 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne from Normandy to Hitler's Eagle's Nest. New York: Simon & Schuster. ISBN 978-0-7434-6411-6.
• From Band of Brothers (book): Ambrose, Stephen E. (1992). Band of Brothers, E Company, 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne: From Normandy to Hitler's Eagle's Nest (Trade paperback ed.). Touchstone, Simon & Schuster. ISBN 978-0743224543.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:08, 10 September 2020 (UTC)