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Please change the name of the article edit

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Can someone please move the page to the new name of the University. The new name is "Universität für Wirtschaft und Recht". I don't have the right to move a page. Thanks a lot! Ebsuni (talk) 07:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

I agree. The current title of the page is an unofficial translation of the official name "EBS Universität für Wirtschaft und Recht." Only "EBS Universität für Wirtschaft und Recht" and "EBS Universität" are official usage. lissonc (talk) 15:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Research edit

Latest comment: 17 years ago12 comments4 people in discussion

In the beginning it was about "not leading". Suddenly it's "random and out of context". You can't avoid noticing yourself that it gets really difficult to take your arguments seriously. It is evident that you want the DFG statement included because it might reflect badly on research at ebs. At the same time you do not tolerate additional information on the topic. Go edit your own university's page if you ever attended one. I know there is too much advertising on WP. With your attitude and random edits you are forcing people to respond. What do YOU know about business schools anyway? Besides, go take an English course.84.168.91.144 23:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

See also User_talk:217.237.151.235.84.168.91.144 23:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Why don't you go ahead and make yourself useful by writing an article on the ESMT? If you only derive enjoyment from being destructive, why don't you surf to European_School_of_Business and spread the love? You are NOT adding value here.84.168.91.144 23:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
this has gone on long enough, 217.237.151.226, stop reverting 84.168.91.144's edits, he/she is trying to add something to Wikipedia, you only seem to take away from it. You have both repeatedly broken the 3RR, please stop. P.S. you seem to do a lot of editing, think about getting an accout, it makes things a lot easyer, and means that we know who is doing what to the encyclopedia! Englishnerd 21:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
I only delete wrong information and advertisements. For example in the mentioned ranking the ebs is not strong it's only average. I think the text is more like an advertisement for a school who tries without success to get known. I don't unterstand why the other ip does this vandalism and deletes true information like the ones about the other ebs. btw. I do not do much editing. Maybe you are confused by proxy-ips.
I am an alumnus of ebs and admittedly annoyed by this pointless dispute. What you do not seem to realize is that the list is meant to only show the strong ones anyway. It is a list of schools that are among the strongest in research. Even being on that list therefore is a sign of more than just solid research. For a young school like ebs that only recently focused its attention on such rankings this is in fact a very respectable result. I sort of agree that the text contains lots of advertising, but this is not uncommon for Wikipedia. Other articles, including some on private business schools, feature substantially more shameless self-promotion and the editors get away with it. The school is comparatively well known by German standards, is frequently featured in leading business journals and newspapers (see for example the lengthy Handelsblatt interview) and thus not necessarily depends on Wikipedia to make itself heard. Virtually all major consulting firms and investment banks, many DAX companies and increasingly successful SMEs recruit at ebs. In the US and other European countries this profile is only matched by the best business schools. ebs has visiting faculty from all over the world, including some high-profile institutions. Consequently, there really is no need to insult people (again) by making obviously absurd statements as "tries without success to get known." ebs has no long-standing reputation in academic research. This does not mean that it is desperate to convince people who are not part of its core clientele. Please consider creating a user account and signing your posts. Performing controversial edits from an anonymous account and responding only when threatened with a block creates a somewhat shady impression. I would also appreciate a bit of background on your own interest in the topic. You seem to be German and such edits are usually performed by people who would never object to self-promtion on their own school's page. I am not going to change anything on this page unless I regard it as extremely biased. Even correct information can be added in bad faith. There is no need for aggressive advertising or "anti-advertising" on this platform. Please try to be fair and honest in what you add and delete. Nobody gets harmed by a bit of flattery. -- CuriousET 19:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
The current president of the ebs is the former head of the German central bank and "father" of the Euro, Hans Tietmeyer. The current homepage shows the rector next to Gorbachev and Lothar de Maizière, former Prime Minister of the German Democratic Republic. These things alone should suffice to demonstrate that ebs is not unsuccessfully trying to increase its visibility, but has been among the most prominent business schools in Germany for a long time. Sorry, but your knowledge of the things you write about here is obviously very limited. Instead of discrediting others you simple show your extreme bias and ignorance. -- 84.168.96.58 23:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
I just realized that, despite several warnings, you continue this edit war. By the way: drohen = to threaten, Drohung = threat. The purpose of such a discussion is to reach a consensus. Already with your nth revert you demonstrate quite clearly that you are by no means "harmless" (which any grown-up person should consider an insult anyway). At least you did not add some childish remark such as "plays an important role in German and European research." Your IP made several odd changes to articles on the German educational system. Must have been somebody else, right? I will leave the article as it is now. In contrast to anonymous IPs I do have a reputation to lose. -- CuriousET 20:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
One final remark: ebs definitely is Germany's oldest state-accredited private institution of higher learning in business administration. Since it is virtually impossible to explain the subtleties of the German system (TU, TH, Berufsschule, FH, Universität, BA etc.) to foreigners, I will not add what was deleted a while ago. On the WHU page some genius remarked that "wissenschaftliche Hochschule" (scientific institution of higher learning) is redundant and that there is no such a thing as an "unwissenschaftliche Hochschule" (non-scientific institution of higher learning). Some people are just not familiar with the terminology and easily offended by factual statements they do not understand. Keep this in mind when deleting "wrong information." -- CuriousET 20:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
As far as the paragraph on other schools with the same name ("ebs") is concerned, I think it was deleted because the style was abysimal and the information did not seem important enough to be included in such a prominent place. ebs has nothing to gain from being associated with these other schools. Rather, some people would argue that the opposite is the case. ebs is even considering the introduction of a new "corporate" design to avoid confusion. If the paragraph was deleted, definitely not by ebs students or staff. -- CuriousET 20:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Why are other ebs not important? Will you give a source that the ebs is the oldest state-accredited private institution? The private Handelshochschule Leipzig (HHL) claims to be the oldest business school (just one example). Then I won't delete it. Perhabs you should write one of the oldest private state-accreditated business schools? Why can't you create an article without advertisement? (that one is a nice article: Leavey_School_of_Business or that one is also okay Max_M._Fisher_College_of_Business). Seems to me that many people don't know what the ebs is and I don't think they should get "biased" informations. Perhabs you should write a short information about joint degrees with other universities. Another posibility is to add well-known alumni and faculty. And you could add some information of well-known student association in Oestrich-Winkel like AIESEC, AEGEE and so on.

btw. I don't think assistant or senior doctorate is a correct translation (in fact: that are not english terms). The terms habilitation and doctorate are very well known in the world. Please stop calling me aggressive and insulting me on discussion page in German or English or other languages. Thank you.

Now you seem to be confusing me with somebody else. I do not randomly insult people and I am aware of the fact that there is no such thing as a "senior doctorate." I only notice that you keep deleting text that I would consider as correct information without providing a plausible explanation, which is probably what upsets other people. I am not responsible for a single line in this timeline. At the risk of coming across pretty arrogant, I might add that creating school profiles in broken English is not exactly among my comparative advantages. The original page was authored by Marcus Kreikebaum (as mentioned on the discussion page of the German version) who might be interested in continuing his work. While the first version probably contained a fair share of self-promotion, it is hard to say who keeps adding this type of marketing junk. Sometimes such edits are the result of a kind of arm's race between competing schools, which is started by younger over-motivated students. It is evident that simply letting others carry on with their marketing efforts and limiting your own page to boring statistics is not the smart thing to do. The other European Business Schools are probably far more important to a lot of people, definitely to the people who work and study there. This does not imply that a reference should be included in such a prominent place on this particular page, because they are of little relevance to the school today. Moreover, I did not have any objections in the first place. I would not have added the paragraph. Now I see no reason for deleting it. I do not know of any state-accredited private business school located in Germany that was founded earlier. If you find one, let me know. An obvious source (which you will probably find unacceptable) is the school's website. Decades ago, when the ebs was still a Fachhochschule in Offenbach, everybody thought the founder had lost its mind to even think about a private business school. A person in the ministry reportedly was afraid that a cult might be behind the initiative. However, such issues did not stop one of the first graduates from becoming CEO of Deutsche Telekom. Nowadays, everybody talks about business schools and international education. Klaus Evard was among the first to anticipate this development and clearly was ahead of his time. When it comes to managing the school, there are quite a few things that I would have done differently over the years. That is why we are having this discussion. The decision to found a private business school in the first place was visionary and deserves to be reflected in the article. If you prefer to exclude it, feel free to delete whatever is added by others. WHU is the oldest "wissenschaftliche (scientific) Hochschule" but this is a different story and has nothing to do with the claim in question. As much as I would love to help out in improving this page, the fact that I am spending time here probably does more harm to the school's reputation than I could compensate for by adding valuable information. After all, the school's website is updated regularly and a link has already been provided. BTW: Really, do consider signing in. -- CuriousET 00:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
As far as I know, Handelshochschule Leipzig (HHL) is a newly founded institution which decided to boost its reputation by adopting the name of an older business school that had long ceased to exist. This also explains the lack of detailed information on the school's history. The article states the school was founded in 1898. There probably was no such thing as state accreditation for business schools at the time (hence the name "Handelshochschule") and it should be evident that the German Democratic Republic was not exactly the place for private management education. While I appreciate any effort aimed at improving management education in other parts of Germany, this statement is definitely misleading and 80% marketing. -- CuriousET 01:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
According to http://www.escp-eap.net/academic/europe/all_leipzig.html the school was founded in 1992 (more than twenty years after the foundation of ebs). It became a state-accredited institution in 1994 (http://igghhl.de/signum.php4). For Leipzig it was an obvious choice to call it a "reopening". However, this does not change the fact that there was no business school to speak of for almost half a century. Even if it had been in existence for the whole period, it would not have made a difference. The school was associated with the University of Leipzig from the beginning and, as such, not really a private school before 1992 (http://igghhl.de/rektoren.php4). Since you seem to be so good at tracking down marketing I would have expected you to notice. Could it be that you are a student of HHL? I cannot believe that somebody does not know ebs but remembers the "founding date" of HHL. One might want to add that HHL does not even offer an undergraduate program and thus is not really comparable to ebs or WHU. -- CuriousET 01:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

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Latest comment: 7 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

While I understand the rational of removing lesser known alumni, multiple of the people removed are either well known by name, reputation, role, or multiple of those. They commonly have Wikipedia articles (while not proof of notability, certainly a strong indicator), hold or held significant positions in national and multinational companies or start-ups, and were subject of one or more news articles. As such, I would like to add them again, unless there is an argument against that? FortunateSons (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

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