Talk:Dundee and Newtyle Railway

Image copyright issues

would it be possible to use this [1] photo in the article. I notice that it says copyright university of dundee archive services but the date on the photo states it was taken in 1833 Ydam 18:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

That depedends. Where are you and are you worried about uk (probably scotish in this case) courts?Geni 01:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The date the photo was taken is irrelevant. The information you need is 1) the date of death of the photographer; 2) the date the copyright was last renewed (in this case by the University of Dundee). I think it is still under copyright, though it is very plausable that the copyright holder may allow its use. _└ ^VodkaJazz / _talk ^┐ 13:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

If it was published in the US before 1923, or anywhere in the world before 1909, then it is PD in the US, and copyright renewals and the death date of the author/photographer don't matter at all. DES ^(talk) 00:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

In any case, the archive copyright is almost surely compeletly invalid under US law. Note that if the photo was taken in 1833, it is very likely (virtually certian) that the photographer died sometime before 1913, which would also make this PD under both UK and US law. (I am assuming that the photog was at least 20 when the pictuire was taken, as iit appears to ahve been an officail corporate photo -- at least a corporate source is credited -- and thus the photog is very likely to have been a pro. I further assume that he lived to be no more than 100, again highly likely indeed. The UK now uses Life+70 copyright terms, so as long as the photographer died before 1936, this is PD there, and also in the US). DES ^(talk) 00:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I wish it were illegal to falsely claim copyright on PD images. DES ^(talk) 00:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Check out the template {{PD-US-1923-abroad}}. It should be applicable as far as I can tell. Royalbroil 01:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Discrepency

Dundee and Newtyle Railway#Overview gives the gauge as 54. However Scotch gauge#4 ft 6½ in gauge gives the gauge as 4 ft 6+1⁄2 in (1,384 mm) or before that as 4ft 6½in (1385 mm). Some one please clarify. Peter Horn User talk 21:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Now corrected - it was 54. Pyrotec (talk) 13:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

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Disused stations missing

https://www.buildingsatrisk.org.uk/details/901418 lists a wayside halt 276, Clepington Road. --FDent (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Also WEST FERRY STATION http://portal.historicenvironment.scot/designation/LB25921 --FDent (talk) 09:11, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

• @FDent: West Ferry Station (Wikidata: West Ferry railway station (Q113863744); RailScot: W/West_Ferry) was on a different line. We currently have a redirect West Ferry railway station, which forwards to Dundee and Arbroath Railway

• The station at Clepington Road is more tricky.

RailScot's local map of the area RailScot shows two distinct stops north of the Law Tunnel: one, where the map is centred, that it labels "Offset at Back of Law", and then, a little further to the north, "Cross Roads" on Clepington Road.

However, clicking on the marker at "Cross Roads", the RailScot C/Cross_Roads link redirects back to the "Back of Law" page (and centres the map back at the first station). However the text of the "Back of Law" page seems to be describing the stop by Clepington Road.

Contemporary maps do appear to show buildings at both locations, Back of Law(?): [2] and Cross Roads; though without labelling on them it's hard to be certain.

We do now have a stub for Back of Law railway station, created by User:LordSavage1997; though (like the RailScot entry) it appears to be describing the stop at Clepington Road -- although its coordinates point further south, to the buildings immediately north of the tunnel mouth.

The right way to make sense of all this is not clear (at least, not to me). Were there two stops (whose entries, both here and at RailScot have now got muddled together) ? Or was there only one stop, by the building at Clepington Road, and did the buildings further south represent something else ?

For the moment, we have one article here, and two items on wikidata, Cross Roads railway station (Q56630229) and Back of Law railway station (Q105703993). Until a definitive source can found, it's difficult to know the best way forward. Jheald (talk) 17:20, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Update: this blog part 1, part 2 traces the old line fairly exhaustively, reaching "the D&N station and loco shed, called The Back Of The Law", just north of the tunnel, at the bottom of part 1, then the "Crossroads Station Site, with the Station House askew to Clepington Road" at the top of part 2.

So it would seem we are missing a station on this article (Crossroads); and the Back of Law railway station article, which does exist, needs to be straightened out, so that that station becomes the station it describes. Jheald (talk) 18:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

This listing of stations, taken from early copies of Bradshaw, also distinguishes them: [3] -- Jheald (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2022 (UTC)