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Changed the line that read "Morton was involved in several war crimes..." in two ways. First, I added more details about the specific incident (so far as I am aware, there was only one) in which Morton was involved, and added a link to an offsite page that gives a detailed description of the incident as given by several men abord the boat at the time. Second, to the best of my knowledge, there is not a universal opinion on whether or not Morton's actions were criminal, so I also changed the article to read "Although the boats were armed, Wahoo appears to have fired first, and some have labeled this incident a war crime." I think that this is a more neutral way of describing what happened- the Japanese boats were armed, but Wahoo does appear to have fired first, and the reader should be allowed to make up his or her own mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.199.23.139 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 18 April 2006(UTC)

Which Weapons on "armed lifeboats"? Artillery? Torpedos? Depth charges? I beleave in some personal weapons like Rifles, Pistols and Rolling pins. The German Submarine-Commander Heinz-Wilhelm Eck did the same in 1944. He was hanged in 1945. Thats just Victor's justice. Imagine, the Bundesmarine would do the same like the US-Navy, by giving a new Ship the name Heinz-Wilhelm Eck!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.189.94.175 (talk • contribs) multiple edits, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Sweet talking and sugar-coating at it´s worst! Take a look at “Silent Victoy” by C. Blair, pages 384 and 385. The shipwrecked were in the water and in boats of different size. Morton gave the order to open fire and the Japanese returned a few pistol shots. Markus Becker02 23:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I added "controversy attaches...war crime." There's question, according to O'Kane's book, Mush was firing at the survivors; O'Kane suggests the target was empty boats. And don't forget, the U.S. massacred troops in the water at the Bismarck Sea.
I added this, too:
"After three arduous war patrols, Morton was given the highly dangerous assignment of penetrating the Sea of Japan. It has been suggested fatigue contributed to his loss; some believe he, and not O'Kane, should have been sent to new construction"
I base this on Lockwood's Hellcats, O'Kane's two books, Grider's War Fish, & Beach's Submarine!. AFAIK, none specifically says this, but that's the gist of it. I've never heard the Mk18 theory, but given Tang, it fits.
One other thing. Shouldn't there be more coverage of Mush's war record? It'd be more/less a rehash of the Wahoo page, but... Comment? Trekphiler 08:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The bulk of this article is rife with conjecture and does not site verifiable sources. Yeah, Mush was a war criminal...who are you people? 98.117.122.6 (talk) 08:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
There was the only one case, not "several". There is lack of any evidence for anything else. Moreover, however Morton gave the order to aim and shoot lifeboat indeed, it was the only criminal one. Two pages of Blair's Silent Victory is not enough to read. Please read Don Keith's "Undersea Warriors. The world war two story of "Mush" Morton and the USS Wahoo", with full description of the incident. --Matrek (talk) 23:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Sea of Japan?

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

From reading this, it's not clear if Morton made it to the Sea of Japan (the verb "exit" could be taken either way here). If he did...was there any combat there? Afabbro 07:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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