Talk:Dua Lipa/Archive 4

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Modelling chronology

The lead describes her as working as a model before joining a record label in 2014 yet it also describes her as having made her "debut" as a model in 2021 in the last sentence. The contradiction should be corrected. 174.90.223.210 (talk) 00:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Birthplace Dua Lipa

Its hard to be born in 2 places at thr same time, the Dua Lipa article, in the opening sentence says she is Albanian born but in EARLY LIFE it says she was London born. They are quite far apart.... I do not know what is true. 199.119.233.204 (talk) 16:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

The opening sentence says: "Dua Lipa (/ˈduːə ˈliːpə/; Albanian: [ˈdua ˈlipa]; born (1995-08-22)22 August 1995) is an English singer, songwriter and model." I don't see anywhere it says she was born in Albania. Hope that helps. SchreiberBike | ⌨  21:53, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Ahh, I see, it does say "Albanian: [ˈdua ˈlipa]; born (1995-08-22)22 August 1995", but that refers to the Albanian language pronunciation of her name, not where she was born. SchreiberBike | ⌨  21:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Dua Lipa about her descent

Why are Dua's own personal reports of her descent being removed constantly???? She has claimed herself that she is fully Albanian, 100 % and belong to Prishtina. She posts photos of her family regularly on her instagram account.

https://shqiptarja.com/lajm/dua-lipa-sot-ne-prishtine-neser-ne-br-tirane-jam-100-per-qind-shqiptare

https://insajderi.com/dua-lipa-krenare-qe-jam-shqiptare/

https://eng.majalla.com/node/141356/profiledua-lipa-exceptional-english-singer-kosovan-origin Veneta1 (talk) 16:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2022

Change "innocent Palestinian civilians" to "Palestinian civilians".

The wikipedia article mentions "innocent Palestinian civilians". This is a biased statement, especially considering that the "civilians" murdered were really terrorists inciting violence against Israel. I recommend it to be changed to "Palestinian civilians". There is no evidence that they are innocent. 2600:8802:2500:540:0:0:0:14F2 (talk) 04:03, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

The full phrase is "after expressing solidarity for the death of innocent Palestinian civilians due to ...". It doesn't say that all or even that most Palestinian civilians are "innocent", it just says that she is expressing her solidarity with the innocent ones (after all, some are children). I don't think that is a biased statement. SchreiberBike | ⌨  04:44, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Albanian is not Dua Lipa’s native language

English is Dua Lipa’s native language. She would speak Albanian at home with her family, but her native language was English. She could not read or write in Albanian prior to moving back to Kosovo at the age of 11. 108.17.17.116 (talk) 18:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Relationship

The link to Anwar Hadid is to the father and not the son. I think that’s been done in error. Blaekle (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2022 (UTC) -- Agreed by another editor

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2022

Anwar Hadid hyperlink has to be removed. It is currently linked to actual Anwar Hadid's dad's wiki page 2607:FEA8:C40:45A0:E882:7C5E:1F53:391C (talk) 18:08, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done Looks like his article was deleted and redirected to his dad's page in 2020. Cannolis (talk) 18:20, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Controversies

We should add how she has been sued for stealing 2 of her most popular songs. If on other celeb pages we mention controversies ranging from marijuana possession to DUI. Then lawsuits over her alleged theft of music is mentionable too. 75.141.109.239 (talk) 16:53, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

It's a frivolous lawsuit based on a misunderstanding of music theory.[1] It's going to get thrown out or settled, unless Artikal Sound System wants to get sued by OutKast. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Many RS cover these two lawsuits. They are both regarding one song, Levitating. -- Valjean (talk) 23:53, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2022

Dua Lipa’s pronouns are they/them. They are non-binary. 2601:245:0:39D0:AD5B:A90D:EAAD:C847 (talk) 00:13, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:20, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

She is not English

In the first sentence it is incorrectly claimed she is English. We know this is wrong for in her Early Life her ethnicity is confirmed. 2.30.69.192 (talk) 03:10, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

"English" is a nationality and a rather wide swath of ethnicity. Lipa is "English" or British in the sense that she was born in London. English ethnicity is not being claimed here. Binksternet (talk) 03:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

'British' accent

This is an idiotic term. Despite what some clueless Americans may think, there's no such thing as a single 'British' accent. There isn't even a single 'English' accent. When Americans refer to a 'British' accent they usually mean received pronunciation, but few British people speak like that, and I'm pretty sure that Dua Lipa doesn't either. --Ef80 (talk) 14:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

As you say, She has a London accent, because that’s where she’s from. It’s arguably xenophobic even to mention this at all - children of immigrants speak with the same accent as everyone else. This sentence should be removed asap. 87.244.71.238 (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Dua name meaning in the article is not accurate

Dua is an arabic/islamic word that means: To ask gods help.

The article says Dua means love which is inaccurate. 2603:7080:7200:84C4:2C5E:231B:595E:8E7B (talk) 12:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Dua means different things depending on the language. It does mean "to ask God's help" or "prayer" in Arabic but a quick search shows it may also mean "love" or "blessing " in other languages. Lipa's statement was that "dua is the Albanian word for love". She was not referring to the meaning of dua in Arabic. RedBaron12 (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Nationality

A recent edit changed the lede to "Kosovar-English". This is clearly wrong as it is a ethnicity rather than nationality as has been discussed numerous times. However, both of her parents are Kosovar and she has lived there and referred to Kosovo as "my country". It might be necessary to discuss changing the lede to "English and Kosovar" to reflect dual nationality. RedBaron12 (talk) 17:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Usually, we use citizenship exclusively in the opening sentence. So, if we were to say that she's Kosovar, we would have to have evidence that she holds Kosovan citizenship. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 04:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Please refer to MOS:ETHNICITY. --Lapadite (talk) 05:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm aware of MOS:ETHNICITY. This would be in reference to Kosovan citizenship, not ethnicity. However, I did check and @Jargo Nautilus is correct that citizenship isn’t evidenced in sources despite a high likelihood of it being the case. Something to keep an eye on. RedBaron12 (talk) 14:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

2022 outdated writing

Regarding the "Sweetest Pie" collaboration, in the 2019-present section, Megan Thee Stallion's album is still written as upcoming. On 12 august 2022, Traumazine (the album) was actually released so it should be corrected 2.119.181.214 (talk) 13:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2022

At the bottom of the philanthropy section, can this be added:

Dua Lipa gave a speech at the Booker Prize 2022 ceremony, where she talked about her life-long love of reading including books such as Ismail Kadare’s Keshtjella (The Castle), which helped her develop her language skills and connect with her Kosovan Albanian identity. Citation: https://thebookerprizes.com/the-booker-library/features/dua-lipas-booker-prize-speech-i-often-wonder-if-authors-realise-just 82.71.1.207 (talk) 14:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Don't think this is appropriate for a philanthropy section - what about her giving this speech at a literary award ceremony is philanthropic? Might have some value in her early life section but also could just be WP:TRIVIA Cannolis (talk) 15:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

The Booker Prize is a charity, so her appearance was philanthropic. Toppage (talk) 08:50, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Idol

She is a big fan of Bangladeshi superstar Hero Alom. 68.198.150.167 (talk) 08:39, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Referencing errors in lede

I have again fixed referencing errors introduced into this article by Mooonswimmer. Their edits remove a reference definition nmaed "AlbanianCitizenship" which is used elsewhere in the article. When the definition is removed, the other invocations in the article produce an error. Please don't re-introduce referencing errors to the artilce by deleting in-use reference definitions.

This editor mentioned MOS:CITELEAD in their edit summary. This MOS entry tells us that "the necessity for citations should be determined in a case-by-case basis", and I don't see concensus for removing this citation from the lede. I think the reference should stay in the lede because it's been an issue of discussion and dispute. In this article, Dua's heritage has been changed around at least a few times and was the subject of a concensus-building discussion here on the talk page.

This editor also mentioned MOS:NONENG. That MOS tell us that English-language citations are preferred (but not required). If an English-language citation is available, it should be used to completely replace the citation that's in the lede -- but certainly shouldn't be done carelessly, leaving the article with referencing errors. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

User:Mooonswimmer was right to mention MOS:CITELEAD and then move the citation from the lead. It is unnecessary there. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

The necessity of the reference in the lead is subjective. For sure, the definition doesn't need to appear in the lede, but there's nothing wrong with the reference appearing there and I think it helps the article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 19:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Mikeblas, my apologies for the rash edits that messed up the reference definitions. I did not notice the citation in the infobox, my bad. Can the reference definitions be added to the Guardian source?

Regarding the citation in the lead, what is the rationale for it being the only citation in the introduction? Why would an editorial consensus be needed here when no consensus was needed to omit the rest of the citations? The information is explicitly repeated in the "Personal life" section. Mooonswimmer 17:39, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

My rationale is given above: the fact of Dua's citizenship has been a bit contentious, as witnessed by previous changes and reversions in this article's history and the previous conversation on this same talk page. I think having a reference on the spot will make it easy for readers to verify a statement that might surprise them or that they might disagree with rather than hunting through the rest of the article to find it (maybe). And also less likely to be changed spuriously by the bolder editors who disagree and haven't verified. MOSLEAD is quite direct about it: The verifiability policy advises that material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, and direct quotations, should be supported by an inline citation. Any statements about living persons that are challenged or likely to be challenged must have an inline citation every time they are mentioned, including within the lead.

MOS:CITELEAD says these things should be taken on a case-by-case basis based on editorial concensus. I don't think anyone objects to removing the other ciations from the lede, but I object to removing this one. I think keeping it in the lede is in line with CITELEAD, since it mentions "balance" and that other prose about BLP. And concensus itself is concensus: I think it should be, you seem adamant that it shouldn't be. What do others think?

And also: what's the disadvantage to having the cite in the lede? It's three characters in a superscript, so readability isn't an issue. Why shouldn't the cite be there? The MOS doesn't give a reason to remove it, but you seemed to use it as justification for your edits. -- Mikeblas (talk) 19:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

As noted above, my preference is to not have the ref in the lead. I'll leave other editors to decide whether the controversy has been so great as to justify it. If they decide to delete it, they can count me as a supporter. For now, I have moved the full ref to the body as the body has precedence over the lead. The short refname is still in the lead. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:26, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2022

She was rumoured to be in a relationship with Trevor Noah Garfield Malibe (talk) 09:40, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes Garfield Malibe (talk) 09:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Not done. No source and Wikipedia doesn't do rumours on living people. --Mvqr (talk) 11:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Nationality discussion

The previous discussion from August 2022 got archived. But anyway, in November 2022, Dua Lipa acquired Albanian citizenship, so we can now call her "English-Albanian" (or "British-Albanian") in the lead. Still no news as to what her status regarding Kosovo is. It makes sense that she would opt for Albanian citizenship, on account of Albania being a member state of the United Nations (and being the "motherland" of Kosovo). Jargo Nautilus (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Definitely makes sense for her having Albanian citizenship. However, the lede should not use "English-Albanian" or "British-Albanian" because these are ambiguous and can refer to ethnicity. According to MOS:ETHNICITY, it should be "English and Albanian" or "British and Albanian" to clearly show nationality and not ethnicity. RedBaron12 (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Personally, as a short hand, I tend to hyphenate dual nationalities, although I can see how confusion can arise with the implication of ethnicity. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah this particular guideline has caused quite a lot of confusion on other pages so thanks for being understanding of it. Just to confirm, and to head off any confusion from other editors, other BLP pages that demonstrate this can be seen for Arnold Schwarzenegger, Hayley Atwell, or Ana de Armas. RedBaron12 (talk) 20:25, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Support "and" rather than the hyphen. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:01, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

@Abdullahi Mohamed 101, see here. I linked the wrong guideline in my edit summary, my bad. Mooonswimmer 15:48, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia editors, please block RedBaron12 who, without any understanding of the British system on nationalities and ethnicities, deletes English links of British articles and leaves only Albanian in the Albanian language to prove that Dua Lipa is English, even though she has nothing to do with English ethnicity. This child or childish American has absolutely no idea how nationality and ethnicity are treated in the UK. It is very simple, she is not of English descent, she is British of Albanian descent. Please stop his silly behaviour. Nalsenai 11:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

I think you have an unclear understanding of what goes in the lede. According to MOS:ETHNICITY, only nationalities go in the lead. The merits between English and British are debatable and both are used in BLPs to denote nationality. She also undeniably has Albanian citizenship and thus nationality. The lede should therefore say either "English and Albanian" or "British and Albanian". What it should absolutely not say is "English/British-Albanian" or "English/British of Albanian origin" as those are ambiguous and can refer to ethnicity. In this case, I do concede that listing her nationality as British is probably more accurate after looking at the sources we have. However, four sources stating the same straightforward news story is unnecessary. We should have an English source, so keeping one of them and the Albanian source is probably the best option. RedBaron12 (talk) 18:16, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Name

I see

• Her first name is the Islamic word for supplicative prayer
• Lipa's first name "Dua" was her grandmother's suggestion and means "love" in Albanian

Simultaneously. One of two is not true for sure. Beshogur (talk) 20:24, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the second argument. She is Albanian and I somewhere heard of the "Dua" (Love) origin. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Neither of these arguments are mutually exclusive. There is a longer discussion in the archive but my answer to this previously has been:

Dua means different things depending on the language. It does mean "to ask God's help" or "prayer" in Arabic but a quick search shows it may also mean "love" or "blessing " in other languages. Lipa's statement was that "dua is the Albanian word for love". She was not referring to the meaning of dua in Arabic. RedBaron12 (talk) 22:16, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

That is very true. My own given name in English has multiple meanings in two different languages (Chinese and Irish) simultaneously, so it is totally possible for this to be the case with Dua's name. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Dua is a verb, "to love, " not "love." Dua Lipa is a Brit, not Albanian, and even if she was Albanian, Albanian is a Muslim majority country, and the chief language of Islam is Arabic. SO I wouldn't take the word of a Brit on the meaning of an Albanian or Arabic name. By that logic, I can say that I know the Ukrainian meaning of a name based on the fact I am of Ukrainian ancestry, despite being born and raised in Canada. 198.163.159.103 (talk) 18:59, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Current relationship

Maybe something like the following can be added:

As of February 2023, Lipa has been dating for several months filmmaker Romain Gavras, who was previously in a six-month relationship with Rita Ora.

https://www.news.com.au/47bbbdf5b6531e3684c20b509ee713c5/

https://politiko.al/english/politikoff/dua-lipa-ne-nje-romance-ish-partnerin-e-rita-ora-s-i477025/ 5.203.196.121 (talk) 11:48, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Personal life

Just found out that her boyfriend Anwar Hadid is the brother of Bella and Gigi Hadid, famous fashion models. Might be interesting to add! Source.

Boom Boom Tick

In "Fashion ventures," paragraph one change "Boom Boom Thick" to "Boom Boom Tick."

I believe Elle is paywalled so I can't provide a direct source, but I do have a source that has a picture of the original page

https://models.com/Work/elle-us-boom-boom-tick---dua-lipa

change the first picture?

this isn't a problem or anything, but I think the info box picture shows her older/stranger. Change it?

Nationality

Hi @RedBaron12, @Horse Eye's Back and Jargo Nautilus - I've read the previous previous discussion and I'm confused as why we're listing her as "English and Albanian"? The only reason seems to be because she obtained Albanian citizenship in late November 2022. But MOS:FIRSTBIO states: Context (location, nationality, etc.) for the activities that made the person notable and WP:ETHNICITY states: Similarly, neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability.

Her notability in her career is being English (or British, I know this topic is hotly debated), not Albanian and both her heritage and acquired citizenship is covered throughout the article. Even the source of her obtaining Albanian citizenship notes that she is a "British pop star of Albanian origin".[2]

Looking at the examples provided per WP:ETHNICITY, she does not fit with the likes of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Peter Lorre, two individuals who gained notability in their homelands (Austria and Hungary respectively) before coming to the U.S, gaining further notability there and obtaining dual citizenship.

In contrast, Lipa's life and career have been largely in the U.K, not Albania. The U.K is where she was born and the country where she began her career[3][4][5] and started finding fame The singer moved back to the UK and began to gain celebrity status.[6] London is also where her primary residence is.

I know Wikipedia is not a uniform place and guidelines can be ignored if discussion agrees against it, but the discussion behind why many notable entertainers like Avril Lavigne, Julianne Moore, Rita Ora, Lorde and others do not list every single citizenship(s) they have acquired in the lede sentence is because it's not relevant to their notability/life. In many cases, it's more of a technicality, as they obtained another citizenship later in life due to a variety of reasons (i.e - ancestry). Clear Looking Glass (talk) 10:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I 100% agree with Clear Looking Glass. There's absolutely no reason for her second legal citizenship to be treated as a nationality. She is indeed ethnically Kosovar Albanian. However, she was born, raised, and represents the UK mostly through her music and staple stage persona. I would also add Bebe Rexha as an example as well. She is Macedonian Albanian and has citizenship of North Macedonia; despite that, we are not crediting her as an American and Macedonian (or Macedonian Albanian) singer since she was born and raised in the United States, she sings in English. Secondary citizenships can be present in the infoboxes and eventually mentioned somewhere in the body of the article. — Tom^(T2ME) 11:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't agree. Dua Lipa acquired her Albanian citizenship expressly in order to represent Albanians and Albania internationally [7]. There is no Wikipedia policy/guideline, nor reasonable argument for its removal from the lead section. – Βατο (talk) 11:42, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

That's great. Still, to the general public, she is not known for being an Albanian advocate primarily. She is a UK-born and based singer who sings in English. So far, she hasn't recorded ANY songs in the Albanian language. Another thing, her ancestry is Kosovan, which is a different country than Albania. (despite her being ethnically Albanian) With that being said, mentioning both of her nationalities in the beginning, is a pure WP: FLUFF at this point. — Tom^(T2ME) 12:17, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

"Another thing, her ancestry is Kosovan, which is a different country than Albania." sounds like you're trying to push a personal geopolitical POV on a BLP page and should move along. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 14:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

True, we should look at these matters on a case by case basis. Dua Lipa seems to desire to be known as Albanian, which is different from someone merely incidentally holding dual citizenship. So, going by Dua's own wishes, she should be labelled as such. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:09, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Horse Eye's Back Excuse me? Stating a political fact that is reality indeed makes me push a POV agenda? I see you are pushing your own POV agenda trying to say that Kosovo and Albania are the same country. (which are not) Jargo Nautilus That doesn't make sense. Rita Ora, Bebe Rexha, and Ava Max have similar situations to Dua, yet we are not pushing these agendas for them. It's a fact that Dua is known as a British singer, not as an Albanian one. (nationality-wise) Plus, there are so many other WW cases as well. For example, Kylie Minogue. She has dual Australian and UK citizenship, yet we are not pushing her "Britishness" despite her being stationed there for over 30 years! Why? It's simple, she is known as an Australian singer. The same applies to each of the singers that I've mentioned above. — Tom^(T2ME) 17:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

"stationed there" is this a military officer or a singer/songwriter/actress? Who stationed her there? From a quick google it does appear that we should be describing Minogue as both British and Australian (the case for that based on the coverage I'm seeing actually appears to be significantly stronger than the case here). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Why did you respond to Horse Eye's Back and to me in the same comment, in a reply to me? Regarding "that doesn't make sense", no, it makes complete sense. If Bebe Rexha does not care particularly about her dual nationality, then we don't have to explicitly highlight it. The entire point that I was making is that it seems to be Dua Lipa's personal preference to make her dual nationality prominent. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 17:33, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with your reasoning @Clear Looking Glass. Most of those other examples, as of now, only really have involvement in Albania/other countries due to ancestry and parentage. That is not the case here. A significant portion of her career has also been used for advocacy on the part of Albanians / Kosovar Albanians. Just because that is not her primary notability in no way means it should be removed. The establishment of her career is also substantially connected to her Kosovar Albanian upbringing.

Additionally, MOS:ETHNICITY directs that regional nationality be considered which is why someone with British citizenship can instead be labeled as from the individual country most associated with them (English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish) instead. For the same reason, we can probably consider her as always having been an Albanian national despite being from Kosovo. However, this can become very complicated and intertwined with ethnicity, especially in the Balkans. RedBaron12 (talk) 18:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Completely agree. Porcarius (talk) 04:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

I would like to point out that Rita Ora was not born in the UK. So maybe not use her.

198.163.159.103 (talk) 18:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Clear Looking Glass. Not a good idea to say "English and Albanian" rather than "English". Thedarkknightli (talk) 14:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Nationality should be changed to English or British. And is it really relevant to mention that she speaks English with a London accent? She is a Londoner after all. —Jonny Nixon (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2023

Change the introduction from “English and Albanian” to “British-born Albanian”. She isn’t English. 2001:8003:265E:5D00:CD7D:9C0E:45D3:6B57 (talk) 01:32, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Lightoil (talk) 02:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2023

ADD ON for fashion segment: "In 2023, Donatella Versace collaborated with Dua Lipa to create the 'La Vacanza' collection. The campaign shoot & the fashion show took place in Ibiza & Cannes respectively. " 41.116.64.146 (talk) 20:34, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 20:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2023

Dua Lipa is an Albanian singer born in London, England Or Dua Lipa is a British singer of Albanian ancestry. Or Dua lipa is an Albanian singer. :) Ndndndpo (talk) 15:19, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: The article already says she is Albanian. I don't think this change is necessary. casualdejekyll 15:49, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2023

Change "Dua Lipa (/ˈduːə ˈliːpə/ i DOO-ə LEE-pə, Albanian: [ˈdua ˈlipa]; born 22 August 1995) is an English and Albanian[2][1] singer and songwriter" to "Dua Lipa is a British singer and songwriter of Albanian descent." LizardHotDog (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: See the section directly above. Bestagon ⬡ 00:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

RfC on nationality in lead

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus was reached in favour of including Albanian nationality. Timceharris (talk) 00:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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Should "Albanian" be included in the lead sentence? Thedarkknightli (talk) 00:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

• No She received Albanian citizenship in 2022 when (and probably because) she was already famous. Her Albanian citizenship is not really that notable. Mention it in the lead, but not in the opening sentence. (According to MOS:NATIONALITY it should be included in the lead, but I don't think this is a case where it belongs in the opening sentence. It is not comparable to Arnold Schwarzenegger or Peter Lorre, the examples used in MOS:NATIONALITY.) -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 21:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
• Yes. As an Albanian national, Dua Lipa decided to represent Albanians and Albania internationally, by officially acquiring her Albanian citizenship in 2022 ([8]). British author Yasmin Alibhai-Brown describes Dua Lipa as "the Albanian-English, Grammy Award-winning singer/songwriter/fashion designer and UNICEF supporter" ([9]). Also Encyclopædia Britannica describes her as "British-Albanian singer, model, and entrepreneur" ([10]). I see no reason to remove it from the first sentence of the article, it is not in disagreement with MOS:NATIONALITY. – Βατο (talk) 11:28, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
• Yes, her Albanian nationality is relevant enough Marcelus (talk) 18:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

• Yes, because she has Albanian citizenship and many BLP articles on Wikipedia do have the nationality stated in the opeing lead sentence. Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 03:43, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
• Yes, she holds dual citizenship and I do think her Albanian ancestry is well covered and notable for her career.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
• Yes Lipa has talked about being an Albanian and its importance in her identity on multiple occasions, and has caused some controversy with statements about Albania's Balkan neighbours. She keeps promoting Albania on social media etc. All of these are enough to mention her Albanian nationality in the first sentence, as least if I understand the relevant policy correctly. Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:47, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: Obtaining citizenship from another county doesn't automatically require noting it in the intro sentence. Typically, if a second citizenship is not part of the individual's notability it is not mentioned in the lead intro. I am not familiar with her, but it seems her Albanian ancestry has significance, so I'd lean toward yes. Lapadite (talk) 00:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Yes, Lipa's Albanian heritage is a significant part of her identity. Iaof2017 (talk) 10:55, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
• Yes, plenty of sources talk about how her Albanian heritage and now citizenship is important to her. Binksternet (talk) 14:24, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

• Yes (Brought here from WP:RFC/A), I think that including this in the lead is informative for readers.

MaximusEditor (talk) 18:12, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Consensus in favour of yes Timceharris (talk) 00:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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Mileniumi i Tretë School

Unsure if this is of relevance or help to the article however I have seen this sort of information highlighted on other articles. The Mileniumi i Tretë School does attract fees for attendance, however it is part of the Kosovo Education Centre - https://kec-ks.org/en/home/?lang=en and as such non-profit making. I only raise this as the key tenets of this organisation appear to align with Dua Lipa's personal "message". I haven't been able to track down any articles where this is explicitly mentioned in interviews etc. However maybe one to keep an eye on for the future if not yet relevant? A lot of info on her schooling appears to focus on performance/music - yet this is also a key aspect of her as a person? 147.188.245.145 (talk) 08:56, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Kosovo

While her ethnicity is undoubtedly Albanian and since 2022 she is a citizen of Albania, numerous other sources also mention her being British-Kosovan(or British-Kosovar)[11] [12] [13] [14] [15]. According to this article, she spent part of her childhood in Kosovo, at the time when the country got its independence. Later on, she was named Honorary Ambassador of Kosovo to which she responded as follows: “It’s an honor and a privilege to be able to represent MY country all over the world and to continue my work and efforts globally to see that we leave our mark and make a difference."[16]. She lobbied for visa liberalization for, I quote, “citizens of Kosovo” , adding: "While the EU sets borders around OUR freedom, we will hold onto OUR aspirations to be set free."[17] I think there's no reason to remove her Kosovar citizenship and nationality from the box on the right side of the article, given her dedication to her country. I also think her connection to Kosovo is worthy of a mention in a sentence in the opening part of the article, whether it's her roots, her upbringing, her philanthropy or all of the above. Dualiteti (talk) 13:39, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Your information has unreliable references and in addition she has never mentioned being Kosovar, she only says that she is "half British and half Albanian and that her parents are Kosovo Albanians", end of matter.

If you continue editing arbitrarily, I will ask any corresponding user to block your IP address and you will not be able to continue making more edits like in all the Wikis where they have blocked you for the same issue. Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 06:32, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Alright, could you explain which of the references are unreliable in your view and for what reason? It would also be helpful if you could bring some references of your own to the table. As for me, I did provide a couple of relevant articles which mention her being Kosovan or Kosovar, which by the way is not an ethnicity – the main ethnicity in Kosovo being Albanian, with Kosovan being the citizenship. Hence, British-Kosovan denotes somebody who is both a citizen of the United Kingdom and of the Republic of Kosovo.

Don't worry, I am not going to edit arbitrarily, as you call it. This is why I am addressing my claims here. As for your other concerns, which are irrelevant to this discussion, you are free to address them in the appropriate place. I'm looking forward to learning about all the Wikis where I have supposedly been blocked for the same issue. Best regards! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dualiteti (talk • contribs) 08:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The references in the article say that she only has British and Albanian citizenship (British by birth and Albanian by naturalization), you add references about a supposed Kosovo citizenship, and they are references from pink pages, your cited articles are not reliable and are from years ago when Not much was known about the person in the article, however the added references about his Albanian citizenship are reliable. Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 17:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

She did indeed get Albanian citizenship per decree of the country's president in 2022, but that does not rule out her also having the Kosovan one. If she got it before she was famous, that would explain why there is no news article about it. She and her parents could've gotten it around the time of Kosovo's declaration of independence in 2008, when they were living in Prishtina. We don't know. What we do know is that she is referred to as British-Kosovan by multiple sources in English, not to mention those in the Albanian language, which frequently call her Kosovarja (The Kosovan) or Këngëtarja Kosovare (Kosovan singer).([18][19][20][21][22])

As far as the sources in English are concerned, Paper Mag and The National News don't seem to be ideal ones, but fortunately it looks like The Variety, The New York Times and the Telegraph are pretty reliable by Wikipedia's standards. [23]. Both NYT and The Telegraph — which are not pink pages — mention her as being British-Kosovan in their respective articles from the year 2022.[24][25]Dualiteti (talk) 18:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The point is that the references already in the article are trustworthy, and just because an important magazine says that "she is Kosovan" does not mean that she has that citizenship. There are thousands of articles on Wikipedia about American people of Mexican origin who will never say that they have that citizenship just because their parents are, you will never see the article by Selena Gomez, Becky G or 6ix9ne are Mexican-American (unless in the future are nationalized), that a magazine like Billboard mentions that they are Mexican (just because their parents are) is not a reliable reference.

The only explanation I give to your topic is that you are some Kosovar who knows Spanish and English and has wanted to get his nationalism to bring out because otherwise I can't explain it to me the way you keep talking about this. Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

There's not just one source claiming she's Kosovan, there are a dozen of them, in two different languages. Even Dua Lipa herself calls Kosovo her country: “It’s an honor and a privilege to be able to represent MY country all over the world and to continue my work and efforts globally to see that we leave our mark and make a difference."[26]. It's not just her country of origin, or the country of her parents, it's also HER country, if we are to believe her.--Dualiteti (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

She says she is proud of her country, if perhaps she identifies as Kosovar, it is her problem to naturalize, and until now she has not done so, Becky G said she is proud of being Mexican, oh surprise! She's not Mexican / She doesn't have citizenship, it's the same with Dua Lipa, do you get the point? And as she already said @RedBaron12 lots of people claim and have a real sense of national belonging based on heritage, ethnicity, or growing up there. That does not necessarily mean they have corresponding citizenship. Bogartlipa1989 (talk) 00:36, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The sources above don't mention her as just a person with Kosovan roots, but as a Kosovan. She is indeed proud of her Albanian heritage and ethnicity, but at the same time she's also proud of being able to represent her own country Kosovo abroad.--Dualiteti (talk) 08:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Simply put, none of the sources we have say that Dua Lipa is a citizen of Kosovo. They perhaps imply that but they do not explicitly state that. We need an actual verified reliable source that says she is a citizen before making changes, not educated conjecture based on indirect statements or citizenship laws. Lots of people claim and have a real sense of national belonging based on heritage, ethnicity, or growing up there. That does not necessarily mean they have corresponding citizenship. RedBaron12 (talk) 23:53, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I see your point, however I'd like to point out that currently there is no source in the article which explicitly states that she is a British or an English citizen either, nor has this requirement been made for the inclusion of that citizenship in the article. Furthermore, if we were to go by that criteria, it is impossible to prove that the current President of Kosovo, Vjosa Osmani, has Kosovan citizenship either, since I could find no source which explicitly states that. Same goes for most public personalities.

I think that the many sources I provided, especially those in Albanian which refer to her as the Kosovan singer, are explicit enough, since Kosovo is neither a city, nor a region within a country, but an actual country.Dualiteti (talk) 07:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Point taken, I was perhaps a bit too absolute, but at a certain point this becomes an argument ad nauseam. There is a reason why guidelines on this site are not strict rules and we are supposed to use best judgment as editors. As of now, I think we can all agree she is British/English and Albanian based on nationality. I grant she likely has Kosovar citizenship but that doesn’t really change anything. The main emphasis is usually on being Kosovan Albanian and everything we have relevant to her precise connection to Kosovo is in the article body. Also, this is a complicated question that combines ethnicity and nationality with the added difficulty that Kosovo is not recognized by many countries. I, at least, would not want to make a judgment or assumption on that connection, beyond the clear information we have, until she clearly states what it is.

Furthermore, sources in Albanian referring to her as the Kosovan singer are, in fact, not explicit. She is Albanian based on ethnicity so that could just be a marker of precision. For a similar example, some Latino Mexican Americans in US sources might be referred to as simply a Mexican singer, to be more culturally and geographically precise. That doesn’t make them a citizen of that country. RedBaron12 (talk) 18:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

My intention here was not to change the first paragraph to include the word Kosovar, what I had in mind was adding the citizenship to the box on the right. I think the Albanian sources above referring to her as Kosovar instead of saying she has Kosovar roots are in fact just as explicit as those referring to her as British, or to other singers as American. This is not to say that there are not some sources referring to her as "a citizen of Kosovo" such as this one [27] but this doesn't change anything as Kosovar means the same.--Dualiteti (talk) 10:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2024

Dua Lipa's native language is English but she is fluent in Albanian due to her strong familial links with the country. MWRPT (talk) 00:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Liu1126 (talk) 01:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2024

It’s not confirmed that Dua Lipa is Muslim 2600:1017:B8B1:4B48:485C:12D5:F779:C11F (talk) 19:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The article only says her family is muslim. RudolfRed (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)