Talk:Du Preez Grobler

Du Preez Grobler

Namiba, please show me where exactly on Wikipedia where specific proof of somebody's ancestry is demanded. Go ahead. Because you are failing to acknowledge that 1) Du Preez is a very unique surname, that now only survives in Southern Africa and those descended from nationals of Southern African nations, 2) The du Preez clan descended from a single ancestor, as and 3) An innumerable wealth of sources cite it as an Afrikaans surname. It's a fairly small club. I could be linking every US biographical article with the surname "Vanderbilt" to American people of Dutch descent, but I won't because it's far more difficult in that case to confirm one's ancestry. But the du Preez were only one of about 130 original Afrikaans surnames which are unique to the Cape - and only a few thousand people (Working from white African census data, I can actually calculate the precise figure if you wish) retain it. It's not that difficult to see how it's simply impossible for people bearing this name to have come from somewhere else.

I can proof these with the following sources -

"Genealogy of My du Preez Family" by Elaine Bell-Du Preez states very specifically at all Du Preez came from a single ancestor. Bell-Du Preez traced this single ancestor back to Hercules du Preez, an immigrant from France who formed part of the Afrikaans parent stock. See the Dupré article for more - Wikipedia would be contradicting the information there if we denied this.

"Pale Native: Memories of a Renegade Reporter", by Max du Preez confirms this. Hercules was originally Hercules Dupré but the incorrect spelling by a half-literate South African clerk led to a more Dutch spelling, Du Preez - making it a name unique to the African continent.

http://www.ancestor.co.za confirms that all thirty of the original du Preez family were South Africans, with records of their respective marriages with Cape Coloureds and the Dutch, etc.

Thanks, --Katangais (talk) 17:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Very interesting, but you do realise his surname is Grobler, don't you? TheMightyPeanut (talk) 18:49, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah...don't know much about Afrikaner naming conventions, do you? It's an old Dutch tradition to give a male child (depending on the order of their birth) the surname of their maternal grandfather. See Afrikaners of the Kalahari: A White Minority in a Black State, by Margo Russel. --Katangais (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Yet I doubt someone's first name is sufficient to establish lineage. How do you know the Groblers were traditionalists? That's a very spurious argument. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 21:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

It's actually quite a common practice - as I've stated, depends on your order of birth. Can you suggest another reason why an Afrikaans family would adopt a surname as a Christian name for one of their male children? --Katangais (talk) 22:11, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Because they like the name? You seem to be basing your argument on a series of random guesses, with little regard for Wikipedia:Verifiability. A person's surname is indicative of his descent, not his first name. Also, one of the categories you keep adding in is Category:Namibian people of German descent. How does this in any way tie in with your argument above that the Du Preez name came from France? TheMightyPeanut (talk) 01:46, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Grobler is a German surname. And if you consult the family history of the du Preez, you'll also find that the men of the family married Germans from the Cape early on. Completely agree that a person's surname is indicative of his descent, not his first name. But - given the Afrikaner naming conventions quoted above and the fact that "Du Preez" is a solely Afrikaans surname - it would be a logical exception to the rule. Thanks, --Katangais (talk) 02:50, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Have you read WP:V? I'll quote it for you: An article's "content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it". Do you have a previously published source which says that THIS individual has the ancestry you claim? If not, it's original research and should be removed immediately, as I have done. It's that simple.--TM 23:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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