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Merge with zongzi

Due to the meagre content of this page, it might be worth considering to merge it with and redirect it to Zongzi#Origins... Malbi—Preceding undated comment added 11:00, 31 May 2006‎

I disagree... it's just been the subject of a featured article on the Id Wikipedia, and there is a lot of information that could be added to what is a very significant festival with very ancient origins.--Sepa 12:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is a lot more content that could be added here--the agrarian origins of the festival (pre-dating Qu Yuan) and something more about appeasing river dragons, Qu Yuan's later association with the festival, Guo Moruo's political appropriation of Qu Yuan in 1942 and his subsequent lionizing as a "People's Poet," a word on the initial association of the festival with Wu Zixu (later replaced by Qu Yuan), etc. A word explaining the festival date in relation to the lunar calendar would be good too. These points are discussed in David Hawkes, _The Songs of the South_, pp.63-66 (Penguin, 1985), but not in too much detail. Hawkes' book was first published in 1959, and I imagine there should be more recent and detailed research (besides, the focus of Hawkes' book is poetry, not cultural history). Apeman —Preceding undated comment added 17:57, 19 June 2007

Actual month?

Is the month this usually occurs in June? If so, that should be added to the article. Badagnani 00:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is,

This year it is on 13th of june 2011.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.86.209 (talk) 05:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I changed a statement about "fifth of May" to "fifth day of the fifth month". Using "May" for the fifth month of the Chinese calendar is only confusing. --Petermadler (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect tones

端午 is actually duānwŭ in pinyin, not duan1wu1 as is currently written, but I don't know how to write it with tone markings instead of numbers, so someone else will have to do it!

DoneApeman 17:33,13 June 2011 (UTC)

about egg standing tradition

making the egg standing vertically on a flat surface is the tradition game in this festival. 69.120.146.217 02:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)StephenChao

It's generally connected with Lichun as far as English sources know, but I added a source showing that the Taiwanese have at least some confusion here. — LlywelynII 19:40, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

What's wrong with Dragon Boat Festival?

The name Dragon Boat Festival is well-known in English. Is there any particular reason for shifting it to the Mandarin name? Given that Chinese dialects have different names for this festival, the 'official' Mandarin name doesn't appear to have much over the other names. (I am open to reason on this one -- I realise that Beijing doesn't have dragon boat racing at the time of the festival, but on the other hand, Beijing and the north hardly even follow this festival, except for the zongzi).

Also, User:Yau, when making such important changes, it might be useful to ask first on the discussion page. And changing the name of an article isn't a minor change, which is what you have tagged it. User:Bathrobe

Comments of this question:

Your opinion has been reasoned to the key point: causing the geographic differentiation, Northern parts of China have dry climates. As a result, it was hard to hold Dragon Boat competitions as the southern parts. Therefore, the 'official' Mandarin name 'Duanwu' has very few relationship with Dragon Boat. This point is carrying some evidences. That's right.

However, from my participant-observations (I am a North face), this festival has already become a national festival that every family almost all takes it. In north faces' minds and also the peoples from Great China area, this festival is somewhat has the relationship with tranditional ‘时令’ - Chinese calendar (Resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar) and ‘气节’ -Solar term (Resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_term)，and of the essential importance for the remembrance of Sir Quyuan - this great national historical poet (Resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu_Yuan) and his historical conributions.

Therefore, its educational meanings and historical contributions of Patriotism to 炎黄子孙（Resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan_Huang_Zisun) wherever around the worlds are much over merely holding a dragon boat racing. Ordinal Peoples living in Great China Area no matter the dry parts or wet parts (especially the dry parts) usually take the historical remembrance of Sir Quyuan and the nourishing maintenance of their family bond on the higher. Another reason is that it can also be seen as the happy harvest for May, from Spring to summer. Nowadays, depending on the natural differentiations of geography, North faces (especially the farmers) are also celebrating it in the whole 'globalized family' as all the peoples believing in traditional Chinese culture to give our thanksgivings to gods' bless, the happiness moments of gaining materials' supports from 天 (sky), and the applications of new technologies & sciences in agriculture in the first season annually. (Photograph:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inductive_celebration_of_Duanwu_Festival_-_a_table_of_food_in_Chinese_ordinary_family_as_the_first_harvest_from_spring_to_summer.jpg) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason M. C., Han (talk • contribs) 01:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Jason M. C., Han (talk) 01:25, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Duan Wu Festival

Thanks for raising a good question here, Bathrobe. However, I'd suggest Duan Wu Festival be used here to incorporate more activities that people do on this day rather than a simple though most popular dragon boat race. I will do a little research and come up with some paragraphes about what other things Chinese do to celebrate this festival. Chrisliu (talk) 17:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Explaining move

I hadn't realised that the page title has been an issue in the past. Just explaining my earlier edits:

• "Duanwu/Duan Wu" is now a public holiday across greater China; in each of these jurisdictions, the laws refer to "Duanwu" (or, in Cantonese regions, the Cantonese pronunciation of the same name) -- not to "Dragon Boat" or "Double Fifth". Given that "Duanwu" is not unheard of even in English-speaking countries, and is more accurate than "Dragon Boat", I believe "Duanwu" is the preferrable name.
• Grouping the related Korean, Japanese, and Vietnamese festivals under "Double Fifth" is problematic. "Double Fifth" is not a generic name. It seems to be a specific name for the festival used in some contexts. So, it seems, that while the holiday in Taiwan (and perhaps elsehwere) has been referred to as "Double Fifth", in Korea, Japan or Vietname the related festivals are not necessarily called this.
• On the other hand, the Vietnamese and Korean names at least are the local pronunciations of the Chinese name, so they are more related to "Duanwu" than "Double Fifth" - hence they should be linked from here, not a "Double Fifth" dab page.

Cheers, --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 03:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I originally challenged the unilateral and undiscussed move to Duanwu from Dragon Boat Festival. That was actually quite a while ago. After I raised the issue, someone decided that it belonged at Dragon Boat Festival after all and peremptorily moved it back. I was merely trying to open a discussion as to the best name in an English-speaking context, not trying to force the issue one way or another.

I'm not totally opposed to Duanwu, just concerned that settling on it as standard is a kind of mindless "Mandarin standardisation". I am also certainly not proposing "Double Fifth" as the standard name, merely trying to keep it in the article. For some reason people keep deleting it, usually on the grounds that they've never heard of it personally. It took me one minute to find a web page using the term "Double Fifth".

Given that China has now adopted many traditional Han Chinese festivals, including Duanwu, as national holidays, I think there's better reason than before for switching to Duanwu. "Dragon Boat Festival", despite being more popular in English-speaking countries, is probably too specific to use as the name of the festival for the whole of China. (Specific in the sense that it covers only one aspect of the festival). Bathrobe (talk) 08:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, none of the laws refer to "Duanwu" except in Chinese... and this is not the Chinese wikipedia. The English translations of those laws and governments use "Dragon Boat Festival". — LlywelynII 19:38, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

The current title is awful, it takes only the most visible element of thousands of years of tradition.No one in China would call it the dragonboat festival. It is equivalent to renaming the article on Easter to "Chocolate Egg Eating Festival" and Christmas to "Turkey Eating Festival".--KTo288 (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR (talk) 02:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Duanwu Festival → Dragon Boat Festival — The article should be moved to Dragon Boat Festival as per Wikipedia naming convention of 'Use English Words' and 'Use common names of person and things' —Mr.Clown (talk) 11:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support per nomination (WP:UE and WP:UCN) and because previous move from Dragon Boat Festival to Duanwu Festival and back and forth were undiscussed. See also discussion below. — AjaxSmack 00:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Opppose More precise, official name is preferred in the case of competing English names. As discussed below, "Dragon Boat Festival" often means a specific dragon boating competition, rather than the festival itself - and these competitions may or may not be on the same day, or even be meaningfully related, to the cultural festival. In this sense, keeping the article where it is now avoids confusion between the two meanings of the term "Dragon Boat Festival". --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 03:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

It is not a case of competing English names as Duanwu is not English but merely a transliteration, also there are precedents in the case of other chinese festival such as Double Ninth Festival, Mid-Autumn Festival and Chinese New Year Mr.Clown (talk) 09:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Not true: see google results below. All of the examples you raised are translations of the Chinese name - or a Chinese name; as such, they are a fair representation of what the festival is and is called. "Dragon Boat Festival" is at best a nickname. It's like calling "Chinese New Year" the "Fireworks Festival". --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 10:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

But Chinese New Year is not commonly called "Fireworks Festival" in English. The current situation with this article as "Duanwu" is like calling "Chinese New Year" "Chunjie." "Dragon Boat Festival" is not a nickname and, while it may not be an exact translation of the Chinese (like "Boxer Rebellion" and many other terms) or the form official sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party, it is both English and the common name which are good reasons for the title to be located there. — AjaxSmack 01:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

It's inaccurate, because "Dragon Boat Festival" describes only one aspect of the holiday - which, as Bathrobe points out below - is only practised in some regions. It is confusing, because "Dragon Boat Festival" seems to be used in many other parts of the world to mean a particular dragon boating competition, which may or may not be related or on the same day as Duanwu. In Sydney, we have our "Dragon Boat Festival" on Chinese New Year, because the water is a tad cold at Duanwu.

Duanwu is not like "chunjie", because nobody ever uses "chunjie" in English, whereas "Duanwu Festival" does find some usage in English. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 06:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not up to Wikipedia to determine "accuracy" of established terminology; an encyclopedia should be descriptive, not prescriptive. I may argue that the Boxer Rebellion had no boxers or that Ghost Festival has no ghosts but those are the well-established common English names for those subjects and Wikipedia should reflect that usage.

Furthermore usage of "Dragon Boat Festival" is not restricted to events surrounding the actual racing of boats as you claim. "Chartered flights between the mainland and Taiwan for the upcoming Dragon Boat Festival have gotten underway."[1], "people who are volunteering to work in quake-hit Sichuan Province during the Dragon Boat Festival holiday" [2], "Miluo is the birth place of the Dragon Boat Festival for the Chinese, celebrated each year..."[3], "distributing some 2,000 zongzi (粽子) to the needy on the eve of the Dragon Boat Festival."[4], and " With the Dragon Boat Festival just around the corner, the CPC is working actively to secure promises from these retailers that they will not hoard"[5] are all references to the holiday from a wide range of major English-language sources in "Greater China" with no mention of boat races. You will notice that few or none of these articles even mention "Duanwu" as an alternate name. Likewise, few of the many stories on the major news event of the Dragon Boat Festival charter flights between Taiwan and China mention "Duanwu". — AjaxSmack 14:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the principle of your post. Nevertheless, I don't think "Dragon Boat Festival" is an established name as much as the Anglicised names of the other examples you raised. When you say "Boxer Rebellion", anyone familiar with the general subject area will know which rebellion you are talking about. But when you say "Dragon Boat Festival", it is not so clear. Is it Duanwu? Is it the Lantern Festival? Is it any of the other various local "Dragon Boat Festivals" which Google is throwing up?

Given two terms, both of which are used in English-language writing, one of which is confusing and imprecise, while the other is neither -- I believe the latter should prevail. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 11:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No offence, pal. But what you think of as more established is not necessarily so, and may I added that the move to its current title is unilateral without any consensus.Mr.Clown (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support; we are edited for general readers, not for Sinologists. See also WP:Official names for why we don't use them; it applies doubly on China, where the question "who is official?" is actively debated. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
• Opppose "Dragon Boat Festival" can be somewhat misleading since the festival offers more activities than a simple dragon boat competition. How about seeing some people do not row any dragon boats but prepare zongzi on "Dragon Boat Festival"? Chrisliu (talk) 10:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It is not Wikipedia's place to determine if a name is misleading or not, may I humbly suggest you to read the page of 'what Wikipedia is not'Mr.Clown (talk) 20:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. After a long period of vacillation, I've decided to oppose using "Dragon Boat Festival" for 端午节. The reason is that "Dragon Boat Festival" really only describes the festival as celebrated in Southern China. (I was speaking to some Inner Mongolians yesterday, and for them the Duanwu Festival is the date from which it's warm enough to start swimming. And they eat eggs, not zongzi.) The form of the Duanwu Festival relating to dragon boats is possibly the most "authentic" or "familiar" form, but it's not the only one. Although "Dragon Boat Festival" is the most widespread term in English, I would submit that it's actually only used in a narrow sense for the South Chinese celebration. It's not actually synonymous with Duanwu Festival. I think that we can settle on the Mandarin name, but the lead section should put the Cantonese name on a par with Mandarin. Bathrobe (talk) 00:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

"Christ-mas" isn't necessarily celebrated with a christianity point of view, yet it is globally called christmas. I understand dragon boats aren't possible in most parts of mainland (due to no sea or lake). But to keep the name consistent with the tradition, it should be called Dragon-boat festival like before. It is also unfair to call it by mandarin pinyin "Duanwu" when it has long remained a more cantonese based holiday. Benjwong (talk) 05:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree that it is "Cantonese-based". It's celebrated in more than just Cantonese areas. For instance, Hainan, Taiwan,... and I suspect quite a few more. Bathrobe (talk) 05:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

That depends on the definition of "celebrate". Most people eat zongzi. But I would hesitate to call that a celebration. Hainan is quite a cantonese area btw. Even the article admits its guangdong roots. I am not going to debate this one further. As long as there is a redirect, I can deal with it. Benjwong (talk) 02:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Even the article admits its guangdong roots.

Serious? Where? The article says that, according to the orthodox view, the festival originates from the Chu kingdom -- from the Miluo River, to be precise -- which flows nowhere near Guangdong. The festival is celebrated throughout China and neighbouring countries such as Korea and Vietnam. Dragon boating is an activity common throughout southern China - and to be absolutely clear, this is "southern China" in the sense of from Jiangnan southward, not as in South China Morning Post. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 05:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Possibly he means that Hainan has Cantonese roots, but even that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. The local language is Hainanese (related to Hokkienese), Cantonese is not as widely understood in Hainan as might be suspected, the people are quite different from the Cantonese in their outlook, and yum cha is not widely found and not so good, actually. Saying that Hainan is "quite a cantonese area" sounds good but seems to me like a kind of Cantonese "cultural aggrandisement" that misses the more interesting and complex reality not only of Hainan but also of Guangdong province and south China in general. Of course, it is quite possible that Hainan's dragon boat racing came across from Guangdong, but a bit more research is needed before simply putting the custom down to Hainan's being "quite a cantonese area". Bathrobe (talk) 06:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I should have said "Guangdong cultural roots" or even "south china cultural roots" for clarity. Also I cannot speak for Korea, vietnam or other countries. If the celebration is only eating zongzi, then I guess you can list many more countries on wiki. What I was getting at is that the authenticity of the holiday has faded away in many parts of China (since 1950s). In fact if you can get access to guangdong channels, even people from south china areas admit their current ways of celebrating is a renewal/revival effort at best. Benjwong (talk) 04:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I still don't understand what Guangdong or Hainan has to do with the topic. The festival is common throughout China, and the orthodx origin theory is from Hunan, I think. Are some of us confusing Hunan with Hainan?? --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 04:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

I don't personally advocate relying on these but, since the nomination has no supporting evidence, I'll give some Google News results conducted now since the festival is this week: Duanwu: 13 hits[6]; "Dragon Boat Festival": 118 hits[7] — AjaxSmack 00:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The improperly spelt variant "Duan Wu Festival" draws 4,300 hits; "Duanwu Festival" draws 5,300 hits; "Duan Wu" has 17,600 hits, and "Duanwu" has 38,500. Interestingly, one result call it "Dumpling Festival". Has anyone heard of such a thing?

"Dragon Boat Festival" has 584,000, but notice that many of them are talking about specific dragon boat competitions in various places, rather than the cultural festival or statutory holiday itself (e.g. the "Rio Tinto Alcan Dragon Boat Festival", which is not really what this article is about). The same goes for the news results: the second hit, for the "Whistler Dragon Boat Festival", isn't even held on Duanwu day. "Dragon Boat Festival" in this latter sense is better dealt with under dragon boat. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 03:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The following stance has been reverted. See above. I'm not going to vote on this one because I'm really quite torn on the issue.

As an English-speaker, I prefer the natural-sounding and familiar "Dragon Boat Festival". But "Dragon Boat Festival" sounds weird when you apply it to places like Beijing, where they celebrate the festival but have no dragon boats!

In support of Duanwu, the Chinese government has now made it an official holiday. But on the other hand, I don't quite see why the Mainland transliteration should be made de rigueur and the Cantonese pronunciation relegated to an "also-mentioned".

So I'm going to abstain.

Bathrobe (talk) 02:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• (I'm here commenting as an uninvolved administrator coming via WP:RM. I will not close it, but I will note that as it stands, there is no consensus either way and the article is likely to remain at its current location. I will also not vote but I hope my comments will help elucidate further thought.) The primary issue here, as it always is with discussions around common usage, is an evidentiary issue. Proponents of neither side have gathered convincing, conclusive evidence to support their case. Firstly, the references in the article should help elucidate which name is in common usage; I note that the references, taken together, are inconclusive, however. Additional reliable sources help with this task. One source that has not been considered are scholarly works, which may be less susceptible to the lax or confusing usage of terms sometimes found with media sources. Google Scholar reveals that "duan wu festival" or "duanwu festival" is used in one English-language scholarly work, while the other references are in Chinese; "dragon boat festival" returns a variety of English-language scholarly works. Separately, while there are no specific guidelines in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese) that can help us, the general thrust behind the naming conventions there is that we should use terms that are the least confusing to an English reader. This has spawned some discussion above, namely that certain cities hold dragon boat festivals on dates that do not correspond with the festival as described here. Note carefully: these kinds of activities are probably better described as "dragon boat festivals" (with lower-case d, b and f), festivals that involve dragon boats. "Dragon Boat Festival" (with upper-case D, B and F) can probably unambiguously refer to the festival described in this article. The actual lack of dragon boat racing in some parts of China on this festival is immaterial; this fact should merely be borne out in the contents of the article. enochlau (talk) 00:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Info added by 24.82.135.230

This user doubled the length of the article. How about some sources? Benjwong (talk) 05:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I've separated the new info into new sections, made some minor edits and added some maintenance tags. It's valuable info but we probably want to go through and format/restructure some of it, and remove the original research. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 02:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The Etymology and Origin Need to be Rewriten

I am Chinese and I found the section of Etymology very misleading. This ocassion is greatly related to Qu Yuan, the poet, but not just a time to commemorate him. There's still a lot of disputes about the actual orgin of this festive, for example, here (in Chinese) gives 7 different explanations. Also, there are more than one alternative name. I sugget to merge the sections of Etymology and History. Should someone do this or shall I do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Symnodas (talk • contribs) 03:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Sources for article expansion

First set

• 1 --58.38.41.139 (talk) 02:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
• 2 --58.38.41.139 (talk) 02:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
• 3 --58.38.41.139 (talk) 02:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
• 4 --58.38.41.139 (talk) 02:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
• 5 --58.38.41.139 (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
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• 7--58.38.41.139 (talk) 02:22, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
• 8 --58.38.41.139 (talk) 02:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
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• 12 --58.38.41.139 (talk) 02:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
• 13 --58.38.44.140 (talk) 03:11, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
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• 15 --58.38.44.140 (talk) 03:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

  If we want this article to be anything but a joke, then I strongly suggest revising and re-editing the English text.
  Just one example:
  "... Duanwu commemorates the life and death of the famous Chinese scholar Qu Yuan, he was a loyal minister that served the King of Chu during the Warring States Period in 3 centuries BC..."
  A minister that served the king in 3 centuries? Come on.
  In general, English in this article desires to be left. I'm putting it mildly.
  In addition, discrepancy in the provided numeric data. Make up your mind, how old was the scholar on the date of his demise?
  Do not give Wikipedia a bad name. Unless you are doing it under orders from the almighty Party in order to further to discredit Wikipedia and promote Baidu.
  Think about the responsibility. Sweettawker on June 15, 2010 [Shanghai, China].—Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.66.99.98 (talk) 08:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

  I'm talking about the fact not others. If humans, especially children belong to animal kingdom scientificaly, then the name is appropriate as the legend is originated for children. Omh.....a more beautiful synonym could be Duanwu sachet and you see it's popularity is even less

• 16--124.78.237.224 (talk) 14:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

  Well in the dictionary that I have got the term sachet is already of the meaning on aromatic/fragrant bag. Therefore, the following term seems to be double emphasized

• 17 --124.78.237.224 (talk) 14:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
• 18 --124.78.237.224 (talk) 14:12, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

[Cleaned up.]  — LlywelynII 08:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Second set

• Source on realgar wine
• Non-RS source that nonetheless copies that first one, for the bits you can't see on Google Books' preview box
• Source on realgar wine

The basic gist is that the traditional festival had much more to do with fear of overly-strong yang and its effect on health. Also snakes and their effect on same. The article should include a bit more, esp. if one of you guys with academic journal access can find less snippetty accounts. — LlywelynII 08:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Holiday/Festival

Duanwu was not legally a public holiday but had always been a festival in mainland China. And there was no ban on it even during the cultural revolution. From the sources I have, students were given a day or half a day off during the festival as the cultural revolution went on. Some activities like dragon boat racing were indeed suspended in this period, but was restarted no long after the revolution's end. It is more like "the PRC did not recognize this traditional festival as a legal public holiday" instead of "PRC denied a traditional holiday". So I made the changes in the Public Holiday section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.169.114 (talk) 12:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Equivalent and related festivals?

"Kanji" is not the name of a matsuri anywhere in Japan. (Tenjin-matsuri?) And AFAIK, the other "equivalent" festivals do not have boat races. Kortoso (talk) 22:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The Chinese "Duanwu (jie)" (端午 (節)) has been adopted in Japan, and is called Tango no sekku (端午の節句), nowadays observed on May 5 as Children's Day (Japan) (or Boy's Day), rather than on 5/5 of the lunar calendar.

In Japan, the holiday isn't so much associated with dragons, but carp banners -- koinobori, and there may be other papers like this[8] that tries to make a connection. There is a myth or literary allegory that says when a carp swims upstream and up a waterfall it turns into a dragon.

Also traditionally eaten on the day is chimaki (粽) which is the same word in kanji as zongzi (粽子).--Kiyoweap (talk)

Name of the article

The name "Dragon Boat Festival" is far, far and away the WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME of this festival. The opposition above seems to come from Westerners who feel it may not adequately describe all of China, but the only legitimate reason to violate the policies mentioned is official use by the Chinese government. Does it change anyone's mind that "Dragon Boat Festival" is the official English use of the PRC government and their English-language media such as CCTV and China Daily? (This includes the local governments of Beijing and other areas the posters above feel aren't "represented" because of their lack of boats.) Taiwan and Macao also use "Dragon Boat Festival".

(Oddly enough, given the discussion above, Hong Kong is the only place where the holiday is official that doesn't call it "Dragon Boat Festival": they've gone with Cantonese since at least 2011. Not sure that's really an argument to keep the Mandarin name, though.)

If the discussion opens back up, absolutely count me in support of a move back. — LlywelynII 10:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Images

Some other excellent images people might prefer or want to include as the article grows (some look better small than at full size): 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Many of the images at Wikicommons (and the one previously heading this page) seem to be Germans and Brits uploading pictures of themselves playing at the custom: I think that's fine for dragon boat but not the best fit here unless the article expands enough to include an overview of the festival's celebration outside of China. We should aim to keep the images descriptive of the text we're running. — LlywelynII 17:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:ERA

Per WP:ERA, this edit established the usage of this page as BC/AD. Kindly maintain it consistently, pending a new consensus. — LlywelynII 19:42, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Cao E

Nice to see a chapter written about Cao E in this topic of the Dragon Boat Festival. But I think a page of Cao E's own on Wikipedia in English would be appropriate. The tragic accident of Cao E and her father is one thing, but the consequences are enormous. Every year Cao E is commemorated at the Cao-e temple, there is a special tomb made for her in the temple. The Cao-e River is named after her. A historical memorial stone for Cao E was made in the Song Dynasty because the old one was ruined, in 1093 Emperor Zhezong built a hall in the temple. Not to mention the many stelae donated to Cao E by famous people. A city in Zhejiang Province is named after her. There are many statues of Cao E and Cao E is mentioned in the great Han book and in the Wu Shuang Pu. The story of Cao E is a symbol of Filial piety. Therefore, it deserves a page of its own. There is a Dutch Wikipedia page where you can see how big Cao E is. Arno Jacobs (talk) 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Duanwu (Chinese: 端午; pinyin: duānwǔ) literally means "starting/opening horse"?

This is unheard of and doesn't make any sense, could be a mis-reference, need verification. Lanceton (talk) 16:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I suppose the point is that 午 is the earthly branch associated with the horse in the Chinese zodiac. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Qu Yuan dates

It seems odd that when talking about how he was Prime Minister during the Warring States period, it gives the entire length of the Warring States period rather than the length of time Qu Yuan held that position, which is obviously not 400 years. 2603:7000:8100:D4E5:7CFC:6D0C:D95:112D (talk) 13:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Are news sources ok here?

@Remsense Re this diff -> Dragon Boat Festival: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia .You wrote: "an academic source would be much preferred to a news article". I agree, but per WP:REDFLAG, I don't see why we have to remvoe the source added. It is better than nothing, for now. _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 06:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. I was a bit hasty here, my apologies. Remsense ‥ 论 06:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)