Talk:Drag Race terminology/Archive 1
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Sources
https://www.wired.com/story/rupauls-drag-race-slang/
Donehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/901f2d19-5e92-498b-ae6a-85c90b438f30 Done
reading, fishy, drag mother, beat, throwing shade, busted, tea, gag, kiki, death drop, sickening
---Another Believer (Talk) 03:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Advocate source
Not sure if this confirms any unique terms, but may still be helpful for background info. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Screen Rant source
---Another Believer (Talk) 23:15, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Image flood
ResolvedThe stream of images at the top is a bit oppressive. Perhaps they could be integrated into the prose next to their definitions? Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Gleeanon409, They are listed in order in the same section as the terms. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- As I said, mix them amongst the terms instead of bundling them at the top. I have to page through 7 or more of them until I get to the first term. I think that a bad user experience. Gleeanon409 (talk) 18:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gleeanon409, I see what you mean. Done I don't really love the gaps between the images, but I'm sure that will fill out over time. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you! So much better! Gleeanon409 (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Marking this section as resolved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:16, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you! So much better! Gleeanon409 (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Gleeanon409, I see what you mean.
- As I said, mix them amongst the terms instead of bundling them at the top. I have to page through 7 or more of them until I get to the first term. I think that a bad user experience. Gleeanon409 (talk) 18:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Copy edit tag
Resolved@DarkGlow: Curious why you added the copy edit tag. The table has words/phrases and definitions, but you're expecting full prose? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Another Believer: I was quite clear within the tag when I wrote that the issue on this article is its capitalisation. I use lower-case everywhere except for Wikipedia, since there are clear-cut rules. This article is not exempt from these rules. – DarkGlow • 18:39, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- DarkGlow, Can you share which rule says a sentence fragment in a table or whatever can't start lowercase? Thank you! ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Another Believer: As this is a list article, see MOS:LISTCAPS. – DarkGlow • 19:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- DarkGlow, Thank you. This page says, "In a list, if each item of the list is a complete sentence, then it should be capitalized like any other sentence. If the list items are sentence fragments, then capitalization should be consistent – sentence case should be applied to either all or none of the items." ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- There is no such rule. In fact, MOS:LISTCAPS states the opposite:
In a list, if each item of the list is a complete sentence, then it should be capitalized like any other sentence. If the list items are sentence fragments, then capitalization should be consistent – sentence case should be applied to either all or none of the items.
- The prose is the only part of the text that contains full sentences, all of which are properly capitalized. The table, clearly identified as a list by the section header, contains sentence fragments that are self-consistent and not capitalized. Armadillopteryx 19:16, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, edit conflict! Armadillopteryx 19:16, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, I understand the difference now. I was unaware that the definitions on here are deemed as incomplete sentences but that makes sense now. Thank you! – DarkGlow • 19:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- DarkGlow, No problem, glad we could all discuss here.
Do you mind removing the tag if you see no other issues?Marking this section as resolved. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- DarkGlow, No problem, glad we could all discuss here.
- Ah, I understand the difference now. I was unaware that the definitions on here are deemed as incomplete sentences but that makes sense now. Thank you! – DarkGlow • 19:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, edit conflict! Armadillopteryx 19:16, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Another Believer: As this is a list article, see MOS:LISTCAPS. – DarkGlow • 19:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- DarkGlow, Can you share which rule says a sentence fragment in a table or whatever can't start lowercase? Thank you! ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Dynamic list tag
@Gleeanon409: Can you please explain why you think the 'dynamic tag' list is necessary? I would think, in theory, we can actually create a list that's more or less complete, based on sourcing. There aren't an infinite number of slang terms used on the show. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:27, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- The list has grown from 2009 and likely will continue to do so. I find it’s particularly helpful for drive-by editing to encourage sourcing. Gleeanon409 (talk) 03:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
How to improve
So, obviously we want to expand this list to include as many terms as possible, based only on reputable journalist sourcing. There are plenty of quality sources describing the show's slang and terminology, so we have every right to be picky here. How else can we improve this entry? What about adding some text about how the terminology draws from ball culture and other influences? ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well it needs definitions for every entry. Gleeanon409 (talk) 03:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Gleeanon409, Yup! I'm just trying to get the list expanded with terms, and welcome others to help add definitions based on sourcing. I also propose we only add terms confirmed by sources in the context of slang / terminology / vocabulary, not just because they are used by sources. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- I suggest aiming to be accurate to the series and how language is used, coupled with sourcing. We do, after all, have the shows themselves to reference and that’s what will prompt interest in what drives the interest of the readers.The lead can explain generally where the terms come from and how they’re used. Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Gleeanon409, Hm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean about using shows as sources. I think we should be strict about sourcing and use terms verified and defined by secondary coverage. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- That’s not how language works, it’s dynamic and new words and terms are coined regularly. I’m saying be open to a term that would certainly be appropriate and fall back on a primary source if a secondary one is not yet available. Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Gleeanon409, Well, I disagree (unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying), so I'll just see how the list develops and let other editors weigh in as well. I plan on being strict re: sourcing, but we can always discuss specific cases here. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:24, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- That’s not how language works, it’s dynamic and new words and terms are coined regularly. I’m saying be open to a term that would certainly be appropriate and fall back on a primary source if a secondary one is not yet available. Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Gleeanon409, Hm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean about using shows as sources. I think we should be strict about sourcing and use terms verified and defined by secondary coverage. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:10, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- I suggest aiming to be accurate to the series and how language is used, coupled with sourcing. We do, after all, have the shows themselves to reference and that’s what will prompt interest in what drives the interest of the readers.The lead can explain generally where the terms come from and how they’re used. Gleeanon409 (talk) 04:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
- Gleeanon409, Yup! I'm just trying to get the list expanded with terms, and welcome others to help add definitions based on sourcing. I also propose we only add terms confirmed by sources in the context of slang / terminology / vocabulary, not just because they are used by sources. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC)