Talk:Down These Mean Streets

SPAN322 Plan

Updated Plan to March 10th, 2020:

- Section about censorship (done)

- Review and edit Plot summary (pending, working on it)

- Character summary (pending, working on it)

- Section about Nuyorican literature (ready but not uploaded to Wikipedia yet)

- Section about "discovering racial identity" (pending, working on it)

- Section with an analysis of Chapter 18 "Barroom Sociology" (pending, working on it)

–Review if the sections have an adequate citation, and double-check the references (pending)

Topic that still need to be assessed if will be included or not:

- Bildungsroman

Bibliography for Down These Mean Streets:

PAMELA:

Goldberg, G. S., & Gordon, E. W. (1968). Puerto Rican Migrants on the Mainland of the United States. IRCD Bulletin, 4(1), n1.

Maddox, J. Una falla geológica de fallas raciales: el Sur norteamericano en Piri Thomas y Manuel Zapata Olivella.

McGill, L. (2000). A Conversation with Piri Thomas. Bilingual Review / La Revista Bilingüe, 25(2), 179-184. Retrieved February 18, 2020, from www.jstor.org/stable/25745703

Basso, O. L. (2017). [2017 Honorable Mention] The American Dream (Some Restrictions May Apply): Racial Boundaries to Class Mobility in American Immigration Narratives.

Sánchez, M. E. (1998). La Malinche at the Intersection: Race and Gender in Down These Mean Streets. Publications of the Modern Language Association of America, 117-128.

Tomasi, S. (1968). The International Migration Review, 2(3), 87-89. doi:10.2307/3002634

Flores, J., & Román, M. J. (2009). Triple-consciousness? Approaches to Afro-Latino culture in the United States. Latin American and Caribbean Ethnic Studies, 4(3), 319-328.

Blake, F. (2018). What Does It Mean To Be Black?: Gendered Redefinitions of Interethnic Solidarity in Piri Thomas's Down These Mean Streets. African American Review 51(2), 95-110. doi:10.1353/afa.2018.0017.

Sosa-Velasco, A. J. (2009). Gerald and thomas: The subtext within the text in "down these mean streets". Romance Notes, 49(3), 287-299. doi:10.1353/rmc.2009.001

CRAIG:

“A Conversation with Piri Thomas” McGill, Lisa, D. “A Conversation with Piri Thomas.” Bilingual Review/ La revista bilingüe 25.2 (2000): 179–184. Web.

"Gerald and Thomas: The Subtext within the Text in Down These Mean Streets" Sosa-Velasco, Alfredo, J. "Gerald and Thomas: The Subtext within the Text in Down These Mean Streets." Romance Notes 49.3 (2009): 287-99. Web.

From the Tricontinental to the Global South: Race, Radicalism, and Transnational Solidarity Mahler, Anne Garland. "From the Tricontinental to the Global South: Race, Radicalism, and Transnational Solidarity". Duke University Press, 2018.

Race and Mercy: A Conversation with Piri Thomas Stavans, Ilan and Piri Thomas. "Race and Mercy: A Conversation with Piri Thomas." The Massachusetts Review 37.3 (1996): 344-54. Web.

“Nuyorican Identity” Bernard-Carreño, Regina. “Nuyorican Identity.” Counterpoints 366 (2010): 77–94. Web.

“Home and the Ruins of Language: Víctor Hernández Cruz and Miguel Algarín’s Nuyorican Poetry” Esterrich, Carmelo. “Home and the Ruins of Language: Víctor Hernández Cruz and Miguel Algarín’s Nuyorican Poetry.” MELUS 23.3 (1998): 43–56. Web.

Sánchez, M. E. (1998). La Malinche at the Intersection: Race and Gender in Down These Mean Streets. Publications of the Modern Language Association of America, 117-128.

The Literature of the Puerto Rican National Minority in the United States Acosta-Belén, Edna. "The Literature of the Puerto Rican National Minority in the United States." Bilingual Review/ La revista bilingüe 5.1 (1978): 107-16. Web.

“Placing the Self: Organic Intellectual Autobiography” Bernard-Carreño, Regina. “Place the Self: Organic Intellectual Autobiography.” Counterpoints 366 (2010): 95–112. Web.

RV copyvio from censorship section

I removed a large portion of the section which was in violation of WP:Copyvio with no citations and proper references to several academic works on the subject and direct quotes and close paraphrasing. No objection to adding some of that content if it's properly cited and referenced. Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources for more info on how to properly cite. In a related more minor issue, please see WP:NOTESSAY as much of the content also was written and paraphrased in an essay style. Please keep future additions to an encyclopedic WP:NPOV tone per WP:MOS. Bhockey10 (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for this. I have reinstated the content and added the relevant citation details. (I will later go over it again with the appropriate citation templates.) I don't see that there was any overly close paraphrasing, let alone copyvio, but do point it out if you see otherwise. I mostly see that the page numbers and sources were not yet noted.

As to your other point, yes, WP:NOTESSAY is a good resource. Thanks again. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi JB, Thanks for your work, it looks better with the cites/refs. As it was at version 944803197 with direct quotes without references and cites, that is beyond reasonable for WP:Copyvio which is why it was originally deleted without objection to re-addition if references/cites were added. For example, "'An article from the New York Times 9 May 1971, [then direct quote and/or close paraphrase] is not proper referencing per Copyvio and MOS. Also note, that direct quotes and close paraphrasing requires an inline citation directly following that quoted content, not just at the end of the paragraphs. Per Copyvio: "You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here." Because you are working as a class to improve the article, instead of deleting further copyvio, I went through and added some citation needed tags. If they are uncited for too long, because it is a copyvio issue, myself or another random editor who comes across them, may remove that content. General referencing and cleanup is important, but citing or removing copyvio is a top priority across the Wikipedia community. --Bhockey10 (talk) 19:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Great, thanks for this. Yes, do please feel free to add clean-up templates, the more specific the better! :) --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Themes Section

Anybody want to have a look at the Themes section? I see lots of inline cites, but in reading it closely, the claims being made look like OR. I've removed a couple of blatantly unsourced claims and some duplicate cites, but I'm not qualified to get too granular.

"...there is also the chance that Piri is aware of the privilege that the Latino heritage has in contrast to the black one. This awareness would have made Piri to use his Latino ancestry in order to prevent any discrimination that could arise because of his condition as a black man." Who is actually speaking here? Does the source say this or is the editor using the source to support their original argument?

There are several of these throughout the Themes section. There's also the matter of the section on Chapter 18, which seems to be mostly litcrit rather than a discussion of any specific theme. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 18:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Latinx Literature and Culture

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 January 2023 and 12 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Comills3478 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by M476A (talk) 23:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC)