Talk:Doppelkopf

Scoring wrong

The scoring and the examples are not correct, although it's often played that way. The official scoring differs if, for example, "Keine 60" was announced, but the kontra party reached 60 points (which is the 3rd example). Correct is:

• 1 because kontra won the game
• 1 because kontra won against the elders
• 2 because Re was announced
• 1 because Keine 90 was announced
• 1 because Keine 60 was announced

This results is a score of 6, not 8.

If kontra got 90 points, there is an extra score:

• 1 for reaching 90 against the announcement of Keine 60.

If kontra got 120 points, there is even one more extra score:

• 1 for reaching 120 against the announcement of Keine 90.

In the 4th example, Re, keine 60 was announced, Kontra party said "Kontra". Re gets 178 and therefore loses, the score is

• 1 because kontra won the game
• 1 because kontra won against the elders
• 2 because Re was announced
• 1 because Keine 90 was announced
• 1 because Keine 60 was announced
• 2 because Kontra was announced

This results is a score of 8, not 10.

In the 5th example, Solo player announces "Re, keine 90" but only manages to get 87 points for himself, the score is

• 1 because kontra won the game
• 2 because Re was announced
• 1 because Keine 90 was announced (by Re)
• 1 for reaching 120 against the announcement of Keine 90.
• 1 because Re got less than 90

This results is a score of 6, not 7, and thus -18 for Re.

Note that there is no extra score when Kontra wins a solo. -- 77.135.160.4 (talk) 18:00, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Charlie

If a Jack of Clubs wins the last trick, it will lead to a score point counted for the party that collected the trick.

This is part of the official rules, not a variant.

But A Charlie is also scored if a party loses their Jack of Clubs to the opposing team in the last trick. is an inofficial variant. -- 77.135.160.4 (talk) 18:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Dullen

The most common variant is called Spiel mit (game with) Dullen, which makes the Ten of Hearts (often called Dulle) the highest trump in every normal game as well as any color solo. In this variant, there are actually more trumps than non-trump cards. [...] This variant is so popular that it can be considered to be part of the standard rules.

In fact, this also is not a variant. The Ten of Hearts are the highest trumps according to the official rules by the Deutscher Doppelkopfverband, and the first Ten of Hearts is always higher than the second one, allowing the player at first position to surely win the first trick by playing a Ten of Hearts, for example in order to "marry" when a Hochzeit is played. -- 77.135.160.4 (talk) 18:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Fleischlos

i'm just learning DoKo, but i think i would rather be translated "meatless" than "fleshless". Fleischlos sounds like beeing related to the food-kind of Fleisch. :) 93.122.68.162 (talk) 13:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I would translate it as "vegetarian". Maproom (talk) 11:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(I have undeleted this section because I think sensible comments in the talk page should be retained for the record, even if mistaken.) Maproom (talk) 11:11, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Variants

Variants should be discussed at the end of the article, rather than making the article too interwoven and confusing. Bear in mind that there's actually some sort of official society for this game which sets the rules. Owen214 (talk) 08:53, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I strongly support this. For those not familiar with the game, the standard rules should be given first, and the variants at the end, otherwise the article will be almost incomprehensible. For those already familiar with (some form of) the game, it is still helpful to give the standard rules first, so as to make it perfectly clear what is standard and what is not. Maproom (talk) 11:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I moved all official rules to the Game rules section and all variations to the Variants section. I also corrected the scoring according to those rules, which can be found at the Deutscher Doppelkopf Verband e. V. (DDV) site. In my opinion, these DDV rules should be regarded as the Game rules since all tournaments played in Germany are in fact played according to these rules.--6BL-A504 (talk) 22:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Revert war

I see that 178.11.184.104 and Dennis Bratland are repeatedly reverting each others' edits, on the issue of whether Doppelkopf belongs in the category "German inventions". 178 has now fallen foul of the three-revert rule, and been banned. He has also breached Wikipedia's rule about assuming good faith, by accusing Dennis, in edit comments, of being a stalker and disliking Germany. It would have been better if both protagonists had discussed the issue here.

As for the issue of this argument – it is unclear to me whether a card game qualifies as an "invention". I see that Skat is in the category of "German inventions", but Ombre is not in the category of "Spanish inventions". Maproom (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Europefan's latest sockpuppet has now been blocked. See comments by JamesBWatson for a concise explanation. Productive discussion with Europefan is pretty much out of the question, since he will always use sock puppets, make personal attacks and never respect consensus. He's made it explicitly clear he intends to go on doing it.

Any other editor is free to make changes to this article as they see fit. The issue is is block evasion, not content. Note that 3RR does not apply to block evasion.

Personally I agree that an "invention" is a more fundamental thing, like the light bulb or photocopier, than a card game variant ruleset. There are thousands of different card games. It would be like classing every single video game as a unique "invention". But I haven't done any research in card games and don't normally edit such articles. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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